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In message <397D6C13.4DAF13C6 at optonline.net>, ndkent
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>Now BMG did just release the Snowflakes remaster (apparently without
>bothering to contact the Master, though), so they haven't forgotten.
>Maybe all your friends should contact BMG and say "we liked the orbit
>album, look it was a chart hit, but we hear Tomita might be even better,
>how come we can't find any albums"

Thanks for the advice. I don't know how far they'd get - they only know
that Tomita exists because of me - so I doubt BMG are going to get
floods of letters, but it's worth a try


>Actually the early ones and the best of and live ones shouldn't be that
>hard to get.

I've found and have vinyl copies of the "best of" albums (there are
several to choose from ) and the "Mind of the Universe" on CD.
"Pictures at an exhibition" was the second CD I ever bought (shame on me
that the first was ZZ Top).

> Its obviously Bermuda triangle, Daphnis/Bolero, Grand
>Canyon, Dawn Chorus/Cannon that confound people (and the all synth
>soundtracks).

Strange that I own all of those except Bermuda Triangle, which met its
death thanks to a two year old, a record player set to run at 78RPM and
a very sharp-clawed cat named Suzy, set to run in every other direction
:-( Thinking about it, all the CDs are rotting, so I'd better get 'em
MP3'd sharpish anyway, before they go the same way as B. T.

To ask the obvious question, why do those works "obviously" confound
people?

Thanks for the info Nick.

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In message <397D6C13.4DAF13C6 at optonline.net>, ndkent
<ndkent at optonline.net> writes
>Now BMG did just release the Snowflakes remaster (apparently without
>bothering to contact the Master, though), so they haven't forgotten.
>Maybe all your friends should contact BMG and say "we liked the orbit
>album, look it was a chart hit, but we hear Tomita might be even better,
>how come we can't find any albums"

Thanks for the advice. I don't know how far they'd get - they only know
that Tomita exists because of me - so I doubt BMG are going to get
floods of letters, but it's worth a try


>Actually the early ones and the best of and live ones shouldn't be that
>hard to get.

I've found and have vinyl copies of the "best of" albums (there are
several to choose from ) and the "Mind of the Universe" on CD.
"Pictures at an exhibition" was the second CD I ever bought (shame on me
that the first was ZZ Top).

> Its obviously Bermuda triangle, Daphnis/Bolero, Grand
>Canyon, Dawn Chorus/Cannon that confound people (and the all synth
>soundtracks).

Strange that I own all of those except Bermuda Triangle, which met its
death thanks to a two year old, a record player set to run at 78RPM and
a very sharp-clawed cat named Suzy, set to run in every other direction
:-( Thinking about it, all the CDs are rotting, so I'd better get 'em
MP3'd sharpish anyway, before they go the same way as B. T.

To ask the obvious question, why do those works "obviously" confound
people?

Thanks for the info Nick.

Ian
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In message <397D6C13.4DAF13C6 at optonline.net>, ndkent
<ndkent at optonline.net> writes
>Now BMG did just release the Snowflakes remaster (apparently without
>bothering to contact the Master, though), so they haven't forgotten.
>Maybe all your friends should contact BMG and say "we liked the orbit
>album, look it was a chart hit, but we hear Tomita might be even better,
>how come we can't find any albums"

Thanks for the advice. I don't know how far they'd get - they only know
that Tomita exists because of me - so I doubt BMG are going to get
floods of letters, but it's worth a try


>Actually the early ones and the best of and live ones shouldn't be that
>hard to get.

I've found and have vinyl copies of the "best of" albums (there are
several to choose from ) and the "Mind of the Universe" on CD.
"Pictures at an exhibition" was the second CD I ever bought (shame on me
that the first was ZZ Top).

> Its obviously Bermuda triangle, Daphnis/Bolero, Grand
>Canyon, Dawn Chorus/Cannon that confound people (and the all synth
>soundtracks).

Strange that I own all of those except Bermuda Triangle, which met its
death thanks to a two year old, a record player set to run at 78RPM and
a very sharp-clawed cat named Suzy, set to run in every other direction
:-( Thinking about it, all the CDs are rotting, so I'd better get 'em
MP3'd sharpish anyway, before they go the same way as B. T.

To ask the obvious question, why do those works "obviously" confound
people?

Thanks for the info Nick.

Ian
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Ian Sharrock wrote:
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> In message <E13GnNO-0006Fy-00 at mcclure.tinet.ie>, John Breslin
> <cloud at eircom.net> writes
> >
> >I was also reading about another classical->electronic musician, but can't
> >remember his name and wonder if anyone knows of a don or ron or dan brennan or
> >barrett or something...
>
> Could be Don Dorsey. I came across him on this web site:
> http://www.viklund.com/actual/cds1.html
>
> The two albums listed are "Bachbusters (1985)" and "Beethoven or Bust
> (1988)".
>
> Must be a bit on the rare side - I've searched for more info on the guy
> but generally drawn a blank. I've even been a tad naughty and tried a
> napster search, but I've only found the track "Italian
> Concerto(Allegro)" from Bachbusters. Never managed to download more
> than 30 seconds worth though :-(
>

He sold enough that there should be some floating around the used
market. I heard one and I don't think I made it through the whole album.
It suffers from an 80s sound as I recall. "I'm making all this cool
music with all this hi-tech gear", but my memory is growing hazy. There
are a lot of these kind of albums, he's more rare in that he did like 3
of them.

Bob James who wrote the theme music to the TV show "Taxi" did one album
of Couperin and one of Scarlatti. There's one great track on the
Couperin album, but in general he lost the life and delicacy these
pieces need.

The thing a lot of people forget is you really have to articulate and
tweak on a note by note basis, far more than just using velocity...
though a surprising number of interpreters don't even get that far.
While its possible to overcome the limitations of expressive lack on
polysynths and monosynths a lot of people don't even bother, the novelty
of doing it on a sequencer and hearing their patches seems satisfying
enough to the music maker but not to the listener. Thats always a trap.
A lot of electronic music gets made beacuse its satisfying to make to
the maker, a lot of the stuff that brings quick thrills and sounds neat
the first time has little staying power.

--------

As for the rights, they seem to be still owned by BMG (he signed with
RCA in New York, not Tokyo).

Notice how Carlos got all the rights back. What isn't as well known is
Carlos has a long time relationship with a New York lawyer, which helps
a lot in these matters.

Now BMG did just release the Snowflakes remaster (apparently without
bothering to contact the Master, though), so they haven't forgotten.
Maybe all your friends should contact BMG and say "we liked the orbit
album, look it was a chart hit, but we hear Tomita might be even better,
how come we can't find any albums"

Actually the early ones and the best of and live ones shouldn't be that
hard to get. Its obviously Bermuda triangle, Daphnis/Bolero, Grand
Canyon, Dawn Chorus/Cannon that confound people (and the all synth
soundtracks). The Classical ones should rightly be re-releasable,
recently they are hard to get even in Japan.

nick


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Subject: Re: Tomita Tribute Album
From: Ian Sharrock <ian at sharrock.org>
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In message <E13GnNO-0006Fy-00 at mcclure.tinet.ie>, John Breslin
<cloud at eircom.net> writes

>I was also reading about another classical->electronic musician, but can't
>remember his name and wonder if anyone knows of a don or ron or dan brennan or
>barrett or something...

Could be Don Dorsey. I came across him on this web site:
http://www.viklund.com/actual/cds1.html

The two albums listed are "Bachbusters (1985)" and "Beethoven or Bust
(1988)".

Must be a bit on the rare side - I've searched for more info on the guy
but generally drawn a blank. I've even been a tad naughty and tried a
napster search, but I've only found the track "Italian
Concerto(Allegro)" from Bachbusters. Never managed to download more
than 30 seconds worth though :-(

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Subject: Re: Tomita Tribute Album
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>John Breslin wrote:
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>> Isao Tomita Mailing List - http://listen.to/tomita/
>>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> No there isn't one coming out, but my question is "who not!".
>>
>> We have a number of musicians on this list, and if each one submitted one
or two Tomita tribute tracks it wouldn't be too hard to make an album, or
even to get some more of the artists listed with say MP3.COM to join in.
>>
>> Jarre, Kraftwerk, TD, Vangelis have all had tribute albums, perhaps it's
time for a Tomita one.
>>
>> Suggestions, comments etc. to the list.
>>
>> John.
>> --
>> Tomita
>> http://listen.to/tomita/
>>


I don't mind having ago at a Tomita clone track. Perhaps Pavanne from
Daphnis et Chloe.

Andy Horrell
andy at emismusic.com


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Hello,
I think this is a wonderful idea! How many musicians are there on the list
by the way?

I'm currently trying to complete enough music for a CD release myself, and
I'm only at the: "Man, I've got a lot of work ahead of me!" stage. I say
this because I think to do a Tomita tribute would be very time intensive. In
addition, it would take a lot of chops (synth sound design, recording,
musical interpretation, and keyboard skills). I wouldn't mind trying, but I
can't guarantee anything! Especially since I can't read music, so it would
have to be done by ear... (shudder..)

Be afraid... be very afraid, ; )
Andrew Sanchez


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> Hi all -
>
> No there isn't one coming out, but my question is "who not!".
>
> We have a number of musicians on this list, and if each one submitted one
or
> two Tomita tribute tracks it wouldn't be too hard to make an album, or even
> to get some more of the artists listed with say MP3.COM to join in.
>
> Jarre, Kraftwerk, TD, Vangelis have all had tribute albums, perhaps it's
> time for a Tomita one.
>
> Suggestions, comments etc. to the list.


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Greg Midgley wrote:
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> I once tried to do a ARP version of some Bartok. It sounded
> like Atari psychosis. I agree it would be hard to make
> a tribute album that didn't sound like pastiche or Tomita or worse.
> But it would be cool to hear people try.
> Greg

Yes it would be cool to hear a lot of people try,

the deeper analysis is, would it be a tribute to Tomita or a lot of
synthesists giving a good shot at classical music on synths? You know,
as you begin to sound like he sounds it only highlights more that he's
in a different league. If by contrast you do your own quite different
personal interpretations then its the classical music you are paying
tribute to, but its perhaps more rewarding.



nick
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I once tried to do a ARP version of some Bartok. It sounded
like Atari psychosis. I agree it would be hard to make
a tribute album that didn't sound like pastiche or Tomita or worse.
But it would be cool to hear people try.
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John Breslin wrote:
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>
> Hi all -
>
> No there isn't one coming out, but my question is "who not!".
>
> We have a number of musicians on this list, and if each one submitted one or two Tomita tribute tracks it wouldn't be too hard to make an album, or even to get some more of the artists listed with say MP3.COM to join in.
>
> Jarre, Kraftwerk, TD, Vangelis have all had tribute albums, perhaps it's time for a Tomita one.
>
> Suggestions, comments etc. to the list.
>
> John.
> --
> Tomita
> http://listen.to/tomita/
>

A good idea but the approach is a little different since the pieces we
are the most fond of are famous classical pieces Tomita is doing his own
versions of.

He of course has many pieces well known to Japanese TV viewers (like the
Tezuka tribute album "Atom Kids" had several of his themes), but I doubt
many westerners know these pieces, which also don't have heavy use of synths.

I mean there are a lot of apporaches, but I don't think a number of
them would be suitable. Surely if any of us try the same pieces they
would sound sorry in comparison -- sound card city. Not that it has to
take that approach. One could go for a general "inspired by" approach
which might be loose enough to work. Its very interesting, but when it
comes to classical music there is a certain dread on my part since thats
exactly what's facinating about Tomita, he can do it sucessfully, but
besides a handful of loose pieces by other artists and Carlos, the
success rate is very low. Not that I'm against it, but the angle to
approach it is critical.

> > No there isn't one coming out, but my question is "who not!".
>
> Or "why not" even (I'm not counting Shin Nihon Kikou).

I don't follow

> Bought the William Orbit "Pieces" CD today but haven't had a chance to listen to it, anyone know what's on the second CD in the 2 CD version?

the second CD is the Adagio in dance remix (the U.K. single). They often
do that in the U.S. with artists who are kind of unknown but have a
sucessful single overseas, they throw it into the album release to boost sales.

I bought the album some months ago, after a couple spins I can't say I'm
particularily drawn to listen over and over. It is quite interesting
though how he takes the Barber "Adagio for Strings" a piece that's
filled with loss and longing and plays it ruthelessly cold and
expressionless. So while that approach would heve been lame with just
any piece, it produces almost a friction that is effective. I know
Sakamoto recorded it about 10 years ago. I haven't heard that track
since it was left off the non-Japanese pressings.(the album is "Beauty").

His version of the John Cage piece offends me since his subtly at odds
with the music approach happens to embody exactly what Cage was against
(trite little poppish melodies, pretending to be aleatory when its
actaully more predetermined than not).

Conversely his Satie was pretty much in the spirit of the composer.

> I was also reading about another classical->electronic musician, but can't remember his name and wonder if anyone knows of a don or ron or dan brennan or barrett or something...

draws a blank, so I can't comment.

A lot of people have a couple of these things in them, trouble is they
don't work it until its expressive let alone good.


as for Dawn Chorus, this is not a good time since I don't think it can
be ordered any more.

I found it at the big serious record shops in Tokyo last november (not
the Tower type places but older type establishments)

now you really have to find a place where they have copies already in
stock. Thats unlikely outside Japan. maybe it will be reissued though

nick

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> No there isn't one coming out, but my question is "who not!".

Or "why not" even (I'm not counting Shin Nihon Kikou).

Bought the William Orbit "Pieces" CD today but haven't had a chance to listen to it, anyone know what's on the second CD in the 2 CD version?

I was also reading about another classical->electronic musician, but can't remember his name and wonder if anyone knows of a don or ron or dan brennan or barrett or something...

John.
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I would be VERY interested in contributing to a Tomita album.

BTW, does anyone know where to get the "Dawn Chorus" CD at a reasonable price? I've been looking for it for MANY years without any luck. Thanks!

Alf

John Breslin wrote:

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> Hi all -

> No there isn't one coming out, but my question is "who not!".

> We have a number of musicians on this list, and if each one submitted one or two Tomita tribute tracks it wouldn't be too hard to make an album, or even to get some more of the artists listed with say MP3.COM to join in.

> Jarre, Kraftwerk, TD, Vangelis have all had tribute albums, perhaps it's time for a Tomita one.

> Suggestions, comments etc. to the list.

> John.
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