well??? what are the numbers(track's) on the lp?? i think its a fake Isao tomita's agent say,s no such lp is in that year making so??? what is it then
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:47:33 +0200, you wrote: >well??? what are the numbers(track's) on the lp?? >i think its a fake >Isao tomita's agent say,s no such lp is in that year making >so??? what is it then Not a fake. Seller says it was made for Bayer. Drug companies make all sorts of giveaways for their agents, and custom LPs were very common. I have several by Toscanini, Fiedler, and Stokowski, custom made by RCA from existing LP masters, to help push various pills. The key is to get a track listing. This is probably a "greatest hits" type of collection.
--- In isaotomita at yahoogroups.com, Kimba W. Lion <kimba at k...> wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:47:33 +0200, you wrote: > > >well??? what are the numbers(track's) on the lp?? > >i think its a fake > >Isao tomita's agent say,s no such lp is in that year making > >so??? what is it then > > Not a fake. Seller says it was made for Bayer. Drug companies make all > sorts of giveaways for their agents, and custom LPs were very common. > I have several by Toscanini, Fiedler, and Stokowski, custom made by RCA > from existing LP masters, to help push various pills. > > The key is to get a track listing. This is probably a "greatest hits" type > of collection. The excitement is over, folks - I heard back from the seller and the tracklisting is: Side 1 Star Wars- main title 3'04 Space Fantasy 9'10 The Unanswered Question 6'16 Side 2 Peer Gynt:Solveig's song 4'42 Hora Staccato 3'29 The sea named Solaris 12'26 One for completists only? ;-) Regards, Ben
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:32:59 -0000, you wrote: >One for completists only? ;-) Ah, you beat me to it! The cover art's kinda nice. Not worth going for, though, IMO.
Thanks for getting the scoop Ben! As for the question "For completists only?" - Well, I have been known to buy the domestic (US), as well as multiple import LPs of the same title just to look at the different album cover artwork, and to listen for any differences in the audio mix. ;-) Andrew In a message dated 10/20/03 9:34:54 AM Central Daylight Time, baward at blueyonder.co.uk writes: > The excitement is over, folks - I heard back from the seller and the > tracklisting is: > > Side 1 > Star Wars- main title 3'04 > Space Fantasy 9'10 > The Unanswered Question 6'16 > > Side 2 > Peer Gynt:Solveig's song 4'42 > Hora Staccato 3'29 > The sea named Solaris 12'26 > > One for completists only? ;-)
--- In isaotomita at yahoogroups.com, ixqy at a... wrote: > > Thanks for getting the scoop Ben! As for the question "For completists > only?" - Well, I have been known to buy the domestic (US), as well as multiple > import LPs of the same title just to look at the different album cover artwork, > and to listen for any differences in the audio mix. ;-) > > Andrew > Well that's a fair enough point Andrew (although I did put a ;-) and it's the first Tomita's Greatest Hits compilation (http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/greatest.html) that had an extended edit of the Star Wars theme that I'd never heard of before that time. Ben
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:25:33 -0000, you wrote: >it's the first Tomita's Greatest Hits compilation >(http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/greatest.html) that had an >extended edit of the Star Wars theme that I'd never heard of before >that time. Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version.
I recollect the vinyl version of Kosmos and the CD version different in Track one which is Star Wars Main Theme. There was a short effect at the beginning of the track that wasn't included in the CD version if I remember correctly which is probably why I prefer the vinyl version -----Original Message----- From: Kimba W. Lion [mailto:kimba at kimbawlion.com] Sent: Tue 21/10/2003 14:16 To: isaotomita at yahoogroups.com Cc: Subject: Re: [isaotomita] Re: ISAO Tomita Tonal Synthesis Bayer Organica On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:25:33 -0000, you wrote: >it's the first Tomita's Greatest Hits compilation >(http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/greatest.html) that had an >extended edit of the Star Wars theme that I'd never heard of before >that time. Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.407496...ediets.com/start.cfm?code=30509&media=atkins> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=19.../D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1732161/rand=353065099> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: isaotomita-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
"Kimba W. Lion" wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:25:33 -0000, you wrote: > > >it's the first Tomita's Greatest Hits compilation > >(http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/greatest.html) that had an > >extended edit of the Star Wars theme that I'd never heard of before > >that time. > > Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version. For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. But yeah, it's confusion to knwo when you are getting it. Mainly and very noticeable is it opens with a Star Wars "fanfare" type theme sort of straight and only slightly adorned using the lead sound used throughout and then segues into the recording we know. And then ends with "new" humorous ending FX after the "dialog" and little quote still heard on the well known version. So what is that sound at the end? A small film canister being spun or something falling off a droid and rolling away (or both)? Nick
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:19:38 -0400, you wrote: >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version. > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. What is? http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/greatest.html says that the extended version is on 5660-2-RC, but I played mine right before I wrote the last time, and it's 3:07. I'd like to know what CD releases have the extended version.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:30:07 +0100, you wrote: >I recollect the vinyl version of Kosmos and the CD version different in Track one >which is Star Wars Main Theme. OK, I got out my LP copy of Kosmos (ARL1-2616) and the Star Wars Theme is identical to that on my Greatest Hits CD (5660-2-RC). For that matter, I got out my US CD of Kosmos (2616-2-RG) and the Japanese CD of Cosmos (BVCC-2509), and they are all identical on this track, and all run for 3:04. (That 3:07 I quoted earlier include silence at the end of the CD track.)
"Kimba W. Lion" wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:19:38 -0400, you wrote: > > >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version. > > > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. > > What is? The longer version of Star Wars, but no, I don't have the best ofs myself to check them > > http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/greatest.html says that the extended > version is on 5660-2-RC, but I played mine right before I wrote the last > time, and it's 3:07. I'd like to know what CD releases have the extended > version. Beats me, they probably cobbled 5660-2-RC together for the overseas CD from the album dupe masters I'd bet if it starts the album then its the longer version. But I can't confirm 5660-2-RC has it as track 6, right? The extra intro and coda fx would surely disrupt the musical flow if they stuck the whole thing the middle of an album nick
--- In isaotomita at yahoogroups.com, ndkent <ndkent at o...> wrote: > "Kimba W. Lion" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:19:38 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version. > > > > > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. > > > > What is? > > The longer version of Star Wars, but no, I don't have the best ofs > myself to check them > > > > > http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/greatest.html says that the extended > > version is on 5660-2-RC, but I played mine right before I wrote the last > > time, and it's 3:07. I'd like to know what CD releases have the extended > > version. > > > Beats me, they probably cobbled 5660-2-RC together for the overseas CD > from the album dupe masters > > I'd bet if it starts the album then its the longer version. But I can't confirm > > 5660-2-RC has it as track 6, right? > > The extra intro and coda fx would surely disrupt the musical flow if > they stuck the whole thing the middle of an album > > nick If I get time I will post an mp3 of the track in question (I believe it is the US CD version that has the extended edit.) Ben
--- > > >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version. > > > > > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. > > > > What is? > > The longer version of Star Wars, but no, I don't have the best ofs > myself to check them Well, how do you like that... Because of this discussion, I went and got the UK pressing of the Kosmos LP. There's the extended Star Wars mix! I had never heard it before. It's not on the US LP, nor the US CD nor the Japanese CD.
Hee hee, I knew I was right ) Shame really, I much prefer the extended version -----Original Message----- From: kimbawlion2001 [mailto:kimba at kimbawlion.com] Sent: 29 October 2003 21:01 To: isaotomita at yahoogroups.com Subject: [isaotomita] Re: ISAO Tomita Tonal Synthesis Bayer Organica --- > > >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the 3:07 version. > > > > > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. > > > > What is? > > The longer version of Star Wars, but no, I don't have the best ofs > myself to check them Well, how do you like that... Because of this discussion, I went and got the UK pressing of the Kosmos LP. There's the extended Star Wars mix! I had never heard it before. It's not on the US LP, nor the US CD nor the Japanese CD. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: isaotomita-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> Special-K wrote: > > Hee hee, I knew I was right ) > Shame really, I much prefer the extended version What info was supposed to be right exactly? > > -----Original Message----- > From: kimbawlion2001 [mailto:kimba at kimbawlion.com] > Sent: 29 October 2003 21:01 > To: isaotomita at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [isaotomita] Re: ISAO Tomita Tonal Synthesis Bayer > Organica > > --- > > >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just > has the > 3:07 version. > > > > > > > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. > > > > > > What is? > > > > The longer version of Star Wars, but no, I don't have the > best ofs > > myself to check them > > Well, how do you like that... Because of this discussion, I > went and > got the UK pressing of the Kosmos LP. There's the extended > Star Wars > mix! I had never heard it before. It's not on the US LP, nor > the US > CD nor the Japanese CD. > So what is the summary? 5660-2-RC is apparently a CD catalog number. Correct? The catalog number on the UK LP is what exactly ? We aren't talking about the same catalog number with content by region, or are we?
A short while back I made a comment there was a longer version of Star Wars on the UK vinyl version but there were no acknowledgemtns of it. Looks like the CD versions are shorter for some reason. -----Original Message----- From: ndkent [mailto:ndkent at optonline.net] Sent: 30 October 2003 09:37 To: isaotomita at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [isaotomita] Re: ISAO Tomita Tonal Synthesis Bayer Organica > Special-K wrote: > > Hee hee, I knew I was right ) > Shame really, I much prefer the extended version What info was supposed to be right exactly? > > -----Original Message----- > From: kimbawlion2001 [mailto:kimba at kimbawlion.com] > Sent: 29 October 2003 21:01 > To: isaotomita at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [isaotomita] Re: ISAO Tomita Tonal Synthesis Bayer > Organica > > --- > > >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just > has the > 3:07 version. > > > > > > > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. > > > > > > What is? > > > > The longer version of Star Wars, but no, I don't have the > best ofs > > myself to check them > > Well, how do you like that... Because of this discussion, I > went and > got the UK pressing of the Kosmos LP. There's the extended > Star Wars > mix! I had never heard it before. It's not on the US LP, nor > the US > CD nor the Japanese CD. > So what is the summary? 5660-2-RC is apparently a CD catalog number. Correct? The catalog number on the UK LP is what exactly ? We aren't talking about the same catalog number with content by region, or are we? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: isaotomita-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
--- In isaotomita at yahoogroups.com, "kimbawlion2001" <kimba at k...> wrote: > --- > > >> Which release is that? My copy of 5660-2-RC just has the > 3:07 version. > > > > > > > >For what it's worth it's the 3:46 or so version. > > > > > > What is? > > > > The longer version of Star Wars, but no, I don't have the best ofs > > myself to check them > > Well, how do you like that... Because of this discussion, I went and > got the UK pressing of the Kosmos LP. There's the extended Star Wars > mix! I had never heard it before. It's not on the US LP, nor the US > CD nor the Japanese CD. The short, 3'04 version was the original album version (confirmed by my 1978 vinyl copy), so the UK 1984 CD had the "incorrect" 3'46 extended mix put on it. The 1991 Dolby Surround CD had the same shorter version as the original release, as did the US Greatest Hits CD. The UK '84 CD also missed off the 'Aranjuez' piece altogether... Like Kimbalion, I was unaware of the extended edit until I tracked down this 1984 UK CD of Kosmos. I assume this 'error' was either because the original 1984 CD compiler simply person picked the wrong tape out of the RCA archive when they premastered the CD, or else I.T. or an RCA executive deliberately decided that they would use the master tape with the extended version for the original CD release. I don't suppose we'll ever know - and anyway in my humble opinion its not exactly Tomita-san's finest recorded hour! ;-) I have made a web page with the two versions on so that those without a copy can take a listen: http://www.benjaminward.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tomita/star_wars/ Regards, Ben
>The common short (3'04) version, [2.8Mb mp3] which >appeared on the original 1978 US & UK LP Thanks for making those MP3s. One correction, though: I just got the UK LP, and it has the _longer_ version. So, apparently the UK CD was just perpetuating what had already been released in the UK.
I have to add that the "extra" bits don't even sound like Tomita, to me. Maybe it's because I've lived with the shorter version for 25 years At best I'd say they were early ideas that he discarded. They're thin sounding, not fully fleshed out.
