Debate Same-sex marriage

Actually, Kagome's Arrow, Christians (among others whose opposition of gay marriage is primarily based on their religious values) DO have a valid reason to care whether it becomes legalized. Some religious individuals (not just Christians) may feel that, if homosexuals are allowed to marry, it will encourage them to sin rather than looking for other ways to deal with their "disorder." And, as good, devout practitioners of whatever religion these people happen to be, they want to prevent that for the sake of these gay persons' souls.

One important point of many, many religions is the idea that, if you're aware of the "right way" to be and you still do the "wrong" thing, you're going to be punished or denied something in the afterlife. If someone believes that homosexual marriage would constitute or encourage sin, they may be against it for nothing but moral, well-intentioned reasons. It's exactly why most religions will try to convert people - to help them, to bring them around to the "right" belief.

However, there is a line between wanting to help people, and enforcing your will on people who don't share your beliefs, nor want any part of them. I don't mind someone offering me a church flyer, or praying for me, but I WOULD mind if they tried to force me to cover myself head to toe because I'm a woman, or make me wear a cross. I can completely respect the idea that some Christians oppose gay marriage because they mean well - I think they're misguided, but I can at least recognize that their motive is a good one. But they cross a line when they move to try and block gay couples who don't share their beliefs from being wed. I don't think that religious views should be the deciding factor in this situation, because after all, athiests get married too - "marriage" can't be controlled only by religious groups and viewpoints. It's only the specific ceremonies that churches and other religious institutions can control, within their following.

(Sorry if I rambled... I'm drugged up on migraine medicine. @_@)

 

i agree strongly with kagomes arrow on this.

i myself am a open bisexual, and would not lie to anyone about my sexuals prefrences. i've been inseveral same sex realationships, some of which were serious, others....not as much. yet i have never been ridiculed, or embarressed because of these relationships. and aside from a few isolated insidents, ive never had problems with being open about them.

but, i am religious in some sense, and do try to follow some sort of path.so, i do not endulge in adultry when i am in a relationship nor do i purposely do this to make others happy.

i am what i am, and i dont think god cares about it much. if it was so wrong, then why would it happen so often?

i think marriage is about love, and not about what rights you get, or what sex you like.

but, if i one day choose to marry another female, i would like to be treated the same as other couples~

 

Y'know, every time I hear the anti-gay marriage arguments I can't help but smirk. The same arguments were used against inter-racial marriages decades ago.

 

i agree with you.

but why are so many people making it such a big deal?

 

Because so many people in the world are stupid self centered morons who think that there religion applies to everybody,I think it is so dumb about any religion that says gay whatever is wrong because there religion might also be wrong I dont think that people should force there religion on other people just because they think that there religion is right.

I dont think that love should be locked away because somebody says its wrong.

Look it is like people are saying everyone is created equal and have equal rights .....but not you because your gay.

 

YOU SAID IT!

Lesbian (WOMEN) are popular among MEN.
And gay porn/yaoi are popular among WOMEN.

Haven't you notice this very curious behavior? Why isn't gay porn popular among MEN, nor lesbian porn popular among WOMEN? (I'm talking about HETEROSEXUAL people here).

There's the connection. See? It _IS_ in our genes. Call it XY or XX.

 

Okay, so, let me get this straight...

Say more Men like Italian food than like Polish food...

That means the Polish-eating people are wrong? That's it! Anyone who eats Polish food, should be condemned! Ye' got some kind of sickness! >: No marriage or kids for you! Y'damn sickos.

Be the way we were intended to be! Eat Italian food!

[/SARCASM]

 

Because they're heterosexual, for one. Why would men interested in women want to see guys making out, likewise with women attracted to men? I'm sure there are a number of homosexual perverts who watch heterosexual porn, simply because they find the participants of their respective gender attractive. Same reason heterosexual perverts enjoy homosexual porn of the opposite gender. What exactly are you implying, and how does it prove anything?

You're absolutely right. It's in a heterosexual's genes to be attracted to the opposite gender just as it's in a homosexual's genes to find their gender more attractive. Either way, I still can't comprehend what you're saying. I could come up with some anecdote to further prove my point, but just refer to Dante's post (probably better then anything I could've come up with, and it saves me the trouble ^_^).

 

Allow me to explain.

It is _NOT_ proven that it's in homosexual's genes to find their gender more attractive.

Uh... Okay you got a point. I don't actually REMEMBER why I brought that up.

¬¬ ugh... this sucks. I hate long debates (I'm outta here)

 

I'm sorry, I just saw a huge relevance between these two quotes. Not entirely sure why, though...

 

I see what you're getting at, but luvweaver, you did say that heterosexuals were programmed to find homosexual behavior disgusting - and the fact is, that's not true. It's just that society teaches us that it's okay to like same-sex action as long as the participants are not of OUR gender. What it shows is that straight people don't have an inherent problem with homosexual porn, they have a belief that as long as they're still watching people of the opposite sex, it nullifies the fact that they're watching gay porn.

All I'm saying is that it really comes down to conditioning, not genetic tendency.

Besides which, I know quite a few straight people who have absolutely no problem with the idea of homosexual intimacy/intercourse, so long as it doesn't involve them - and the same could be said of my homosexual friends, in reverse of course. XD

I also do know a number of straight girls who'll watch girl-on-girl, and straight guys who'll watch guy-on-guy.

 

screw gay people. if they wanna be gay they can move to san francisco.

 

Thank you for adding your personal opinion to this discussion. Do you have any reasoning behind this belief? I'd just like to know, because this is a debate, where you try to argue for your understanding.

 

How dare you insult me that way. I am GAY and I dont wanna move to San Francisco, the gay population should have the same rights as everybody else, people like you just dont like it because you dont understand it
(tho there isn't much to understand). You saying srew gay people is the same as saying srew white, people balck, people japanese, and people any kind of differnt culture at all.(sorry if you cant say screw)
I think that all the people like you should be sent to an island and die a slow opain full death, because I dont think there is room in the world for people who can't accepted other things.(bu thats just me)
Yes, everyone is intitled to an opinion, but yours sucks. I would ask you why you think that all gay people should move to S.F. I dont understand what your sayin, srew all gay people so you don tlike gays but you want to screw them???
I dislike people as your self you give an opinion, but you dont explain you you think that. May your opinion is a really good one.(But I highly doubt that)
That is about all I can say, I am getting really mad right now I might say somehting I would look back on later and dislike what I wrote.
-Kel <dont know why I did that.

 

Obviously, the user Spike_Spiegel is a fool whose opinions are, to say the least, crud, but...

Amusing that you ask for tolerance, yet...

(edit: For those who don't quite see why KaYasha's post drew more ire from me, it's because while Spike goes on about moving others to one location, KaYasha goes on about moving others to one location and then killing them all, or at least wishing a horrible death on them. Guess which one is worse.)

 

I was being Sarcastic, if I was telling the truth about that then I wouldn't put but thats opinion in there. I was showing that him thinking that gay people should all move to S.F. is not right just like me thinking all people like him should be killed. I dont think that anybody sharing there opinion should be killed for it.
I just dont care for people like that I would want them all dead then just about everyone in the world would be dead because everybody dislikes somehting it may not be a certine type person but it might be a certine person or something.

 

Because sarcasm comes off very clearly in a flame.

 

wow you people cant take a joke. yes it was a crewl joke but i dont care. i dont discriminate i hate all.

 

In that case, there really wasn't a need to post in this thread. If you're not going to contribute anything to this conversation but opinion, then there is no purpose to further posting in the debates forum.