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Zanza · Mar 4, 2003

That's right, Sadam took more innocent life's than anyone, I am not afraid of the bombs that much, even though we have the U.S.A's melitary HQ southern my country, and as much of you saw and know how small it is, well, you know what I mean..
But mainly, I am afraid of other bombs like Anthrax, if they did bomb that on Iraq, and if the wind was from the North, well, we'll get it for sure..

Naru · Mar 4, 2003

I don't really know what to say anymore....Just seriosuly...the human race used to be so innocent, now look at us. Were killing anything and everything taht gets in our way...because of greed and what not...If we make it though this war, it might only get worse...

KaMeKaZi · Mar 4, 2003

.Just seriosuly...the human race used to be so innocent, now look at us.
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No no no

thats beyond wrong.. Ever since the human race has existed we have been killing each other and everything else that got in the way of more land, power and wealth..

in the stone age there was another bread of Homosapians (i forget the exact name they were givin) but they were killed off.. by who.. Us.. nothing has ever changed in the human race.. we are no less bloodthristy and hatefull then we were a thousand years ago..

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Zanza · Mar 4, 2003

Originally posted by KaMeKaZi
Ever since the human race has existed we have been killing each other and everything else that got in the way of more land, power and wealth..
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Actually, there were two brothers and their sister [or was it some other girl] that to manage and marry her, they have to kill their brother.. and these two were Adam & Eve's sons.. I think that girl was their sister since Adam & Eve are the first human that ever existed.. :sweat:

Nephilim_X · Mar 6, 2003

Everyone should see this.

February 26, 2003, 10:00 a.m.
Voice of Iraqis
Why don’t antiwar types want to hear them?

By Amir Taheri
I spent part of a recent Saturday with the so-called "antiwar" marchers in London in the company of some Iraqi friends. Our aim had been to persuade the organizers to let at least one Iraqi voice to be heard. Soon, however, it became clear that the organizers were as anxious to stifle the voice of the Iraqis in exile as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

The Iraqis had come with placards reading "Freedom for Iraq" and "American rule, a hundred thousand times better than Takriti tyranny!"

But the tough guys who supervised the march would have none of that. Only official placards, manufactured in thousands and distributed among the "spontaneous" marchers, were allowed. These read "Bush and Blair, baby-killers," " Not in my name," "Freedom for Palestine," and "Indict Bush and Sharon."

Not one placard demanded that Saddam should disarm to avoid war.

The goons also confiscated photographs showing the tragedy of Halabja, the Kurdish town where Saddam's forces gassed 5,000 people to death in 1988.

We managed to reach some of the stars of the show, including Reverend Jesse Jackson, the self-styled champion of American civil rights. One of our group, Salima Kazim, an Iraqi grandmother, managed to attract the reverend's attention and told him how Saddam Hussein had murdered her three sons because they had been dissidents in the Baath Party; and how one of her grandsons had died in the war Saddam had launched against Kuwait in 1990.

"Could I have the microphone for one minute to tell the people about my life?" 78-year-old Salima demanded.

The reverend was not pleased.

"Today is not about Saddam Hussein," he snapped. "Today is about Bush and Blair and the massacre they plan in Iraq." Salima had to beat a retreat, with all of us following, as the reverend's gorillas closed in to protect his holiness.

We next spotted former film star Glenda Jackson, apparently manning a stand where "antiwar" characters could sign up to become "human shields" to protect Saddam's military installations against American air attacks.

"These people are mad," said Awad Nasser, one of Iraq's most famous modernist poets. "They are actually signing up to sacrifice their lives to protect a tyrant's death machine."

The former film star, now a Labor party member of parliament, had no time for "side issues" such as the 1.2 million Iraqis, Iranians, and Kuwaitis who have died as a result of Saddam's various wars.

We thought we might have a better chance with Charles Kennedy, a boyish-looking, red-headed Scot who leads the misnamed Liberal Democrat party. But he, too, had no time for "complex issues" that could not be raised at a mass rally.

"The point of what we are doing here is to tell the American and British governments that we are against war," he pontificated. "There will be ample time for other issues."

But was it not amazing that there could be a rally about Iraq without any mention of what Saddam and his regime have done over almost three decades? Just a little hint, perhaps, that Saddam was still murdering people in his Qasr al-Nayhayah (Palace of the End) prison, and that as the Westerners marched, Iraqis continued to die?

Not a chance.

We then ran into Tony Benn, a leftist septuagenarian who has recycled himself as a television reporter to interview Saddam in Baghdad.

But we knew there was no point in talking to him. The previous night he had appeared on TV to tell the Brits that his friend Saddam was standing for "the little people" against "hegemonistic America."

"Are these people ignorant, or are they blinded by hatred of the United States?" Nasser the poet demanded.

The Iraqis would had much to tell the "antiwar" marchers, had they had a chance to speak. Fadel Sultani, president of the National Association of Iraqi authors, would have told the marchers that their action would encourage Saddam to intensify his repression.

"I had a few questions for the marchers," Sultani said. "Did they not realize that oppression, torture and massacre of innocent civilians are also forms of war? Are the antiwar marchers only against a war that would liberate Iraq, or do they also oppose the war Saddam has been waging against our people for a generation?"

Sultani could have told the peaceniks how Saddam's henchmen killed dissident poets and writers by pushing page after page of forbidden books down their throats until they choked.

Hashem al-Iqabi, one of Iraq's leading writers and intellectuals, had hoped the marchers would mention the fact that Saddam had driven almost four million Iraqis out of their homes and razed more than 6,000 villages to the ground.

"The death and destruction caused by Saddam in our land is the worst since Nebuchadnezzar," he said. "These prosperous, peaceful, and fat Europeans are marching in support of evil incarnate." He said that, watching the march, he felt Nazism was "alive and well and flexing its muscles in Hyde Park."

Abdel-Majid Khoi, son of the late Grand Ayatollah Khoi, Iraq's foremost religious leader for almost 40 years, spoke of the "deep moral pain" he feels when hearing the so-called " antiwar" discourse.

"The Iraqi nation is like a man who is kept captive and tortured by a gang of thugs," Khoi said. "The proper moral position is to fly to help that man liberate himself and bring the torturers to book. But what we witness in the West is the opposite: support for the torturers and total contempt for the victim."

Khoi said he would say ahlan wasahlan (welcome) to anyone who would liberate Iraq.

"When you are being tortured to death you are not fussy about who will save you," he said.

Ismail Qaderi, a former Baathist official but now a dissident, wanted to tell the marchers how Saddam systematically destroyed even his own party, starting by murdering all but one of its 16 original leaders.

"Those who see Saddam as a symbol of socialism, progress, and secularism in the Arab world must be mad," he said.

Khalid Kishtaini, Iraq's most famous satirical writer, added his complaint.

"Don't these marchers know that the only march possible in Iraq under Saddam Hussein is from the prison to the firing-squad?" he asked. "The Western marchers behave as if the US wanted to invade Switzerland, not Iraq under Saddam Hussein."

With all doors shutting in our faces we decided to drop out of the show and watch the political zoology of the march from the sidelines.

Who were these people who felt such hatred of their democratic governments and such intense self-loathing?

There were the usual suspects: the remnants of the Left, from Stalinists and Trotskyites to caviar socialists. There were the pro-abortionists, the anti-GM food crowd, the anti-capital-punishment militants, the black-rights gurus, the anti-Semites, the "burn Israel" lobby, the "Bush-didn't-win-Florida" zealots, the unilateral disarmers, the anti-Hollywood "cultural exception" merchants, and the guilt-ridden postmodernist "everything is equal to everything else" philosophers.

But the bulk of the crowd consisted of fellow travelers, those innocent citizens who, prompted by idealism or boredom, are always prepared to play the role of "useful idiots," as Lenin used to call them.

They ignored the fact that the peoples of Iraq are unanimous in their prayers for the war of liberation to come as quickly as possible.

The number of marchers did not impress Salima, the grandmother.

"What is wrong does not become right because many people say it," she asserted, bidding us farewell while the marchers shouted "Not in my name!"

Let us hope that when Iraq is liberated, as it soon will be, the world will remember that it was not done in the name of Rev. Jackson, Charles Kennedy, Glenda Jackson, Tony Benn, and their companions in a march of shame.

— Amir Taheri is author of The Cauldron: The Middle East behind the headlines. Taheri is reachable through http://www.benadorassociates.com.
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Nephilim_X · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Zanza

I love you all..
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We love you too, Zanza. *hug* Very, very, very much.

Mordeth · Mar 6, 2003

Actually, there were two brothers and their sister [or was it some other girl] that to manage and marry her, they have to kill their brother.. and these two were Adam & Eve's sons.. I think that girl was their sister since Adam & Eve are the first human that ever existed.[/quote[

in that case, incest is justified by the bible.. right?
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Nephilim_X · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Mordeth

Actually, there were two brothers and their sister [or was it some other girl] that to manage and marry her, they have to kill their brother.. and these two were Adam & Eve's sons.. I think that girl was their sister since Adam & Eve are the first human that ever existed.[/quote[

in that case, incest is justified by the bible.. right?
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I've always wondered about that. Even later on it happens.

Although there are apparently other people just briefly after leaving the garden...

So either other humans magically popped out of nowhere (created by God for some porkin' material? created by a different god? Who knows?) or people screwed like bunnies.

Of course, this is all if you accept the Bible/Koran as absolute, literal truth.
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Omnidragon · Mar 8, 2003

The two brothers were Cain and Abel. One killed the other. And God punished him by leaving some kind of a mark on his back, which meant that if any other man killed him then they would be defying God. This story is fictitious... the whole of Genesis is fictitious.

But anyway, I just wanted to say that I don't think Bush is as much of an idiot as some people are. After all, he is the president and it takes a lot of strategic infighting to get to that spot. Don't underestimate the political game. And yes I am speaking from first-hand experience.

Bloodberry · Mar 8, 2003

alrighty, exitone has asked this be reopened. i expect this to keep far away from creative name calling, and to remember what the topic is. please keep it relivant to that.

Nephilim_X · Mar 17, 2003

Well theres been a few articles online lately comparing this war to the passages of Revelations.

Then, my friend, Admiral Valdemar of Spacebattles.com, ended up making this.

And -that- is why you don't even bother trying to make a passage fit real life!

hmm... actually, for all we know the passage was referring to a particularly bad-*** clown!

Edit: Earlier in this thread, some people talked about going out and being human shields. This is what happens to you.

Thin Yume · Mar 17, 2003

omg no wonder why i don't really like bush. so what does everyone think about going to war tomorrow? i mean knowing we actually are going to war. at 8 in eastern time he's saying we are going to war. i don't know what to think of it. i'm just glad my brother's too old just in case there is a draft.

artemis836 · Mar 18, 2003

I'm glad the President came out and set an ultimatum for Saddam. In 48 hours we will know what is going to happen, whether Saddam will take the high road and go into exile for the betterment of his people and the world, or if we need to blow that monster into the next century, and believe me we can and we will.

I heard on NBC that Saddam's only hope for surviving an attack by American led forces would be to sway the world opinion againt the war so much that the USA and her allies are forced to capitulate. To do this Saddam is predicted to place innocent Iraqi civilians in the line of fire.

He did this in Persian Gulf I and all through the 90s so it wouldnt surprise me.

Just another reason why this man needs to be out, ASAP. For the good of the Iraq people and the world.

Durring this time of strife I believe, whether we agree with the war, we should support our troops who are risking their lives to save their fellow brothers and sisters in the human race.

neoblacklady · Mar 18, 2003

Durring this time of strife I believe, whether we agree with the war, we should support our troops who are risking their lives to save their fellow brothers and sisters in the human race.
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Hmm in my own opinon...im not going to say anything rude abou t these people fighting..and sure maybe its ignorance... ::shrugs::
i cant support those troops..going off to kill others... "risking their lives" for the "human race" bullsh** =/
Nothing should be fought...b/c it will just keeping dragging and dragging and dragging...and **** like this makes more wars...and more..and more of this "protect our country" show pride bullsh**..and more people getting blown up..inocent people for ****s sake... they dont deserve that..and people who dont want to ..have to go out to fight...like family members..my brothers..my sisters..going to get blown up ..to fight for a country that can be soo unfair..to its own kind.treat their own people like ****...there arelower than dirt..but they are just and free ..and whatever else place does this..the president can go over there and fight..make his entire family go... they can get blown up and what not... damn pride and what not...they take it too far..and this is what happens...they need to grow up ...and stop bulling others...and act like ****ing adults. ignorant..selfish ..dont care..this is old..and it needs to stop ffs....

artemis836 · Mar 19, 2003

Originally posted by neoblacklady
Hmm in my own opinon...im not going to say anything rude abou t these people fighting..and sure maybe its ignorance... ::shrugs::
i cant support those troops..going off to kill others... "risking their lives" for the "human race" bullshit =/
Nothing should be fought...b/c it will just keeping dragging and dragging and dragging...and **** like this makes more wars...and more..and more of this "protect our country" show pride bullshit..and more people getting blown up..inocent people for ****s sake... they dont deserve that..and people who dont want to ..have to go out to fight...like family members..my brothers..my sisters..going to get blown up ..to fight for a country that can be soo unfair..to its own kind.treat their own people like ****...there arelower than dirt..but they are just and free ..and whatever else place does this..the president can go over there and fight..make his entire family go... they can get blown up and what not... damn pride and what not...they take it too far..and this is what happens...they need to grow up ...and stop bulling others...and act like ****ing adults. ignorant..selfish ..dont care..this is old..and it needs to stop ffs....
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Just a thought:

The above comment would get you killed in Iraq.

The freedoms we have in this country were bought and maintained with the blood of brave American soldiers.

I say we have an obligation to bring them to the opressed, since with great power comes great responsibility.

Nephilim_X · Mar 20, 2003

And so it begins.

kyrie · Mar 20, 2003

Hey. does anyone have connections to the president? Maybe like sneek an extra slot into his schedule entitled,
"check out this one thread on this one board that's super long and might be of interest 'cause it has lots of good points that you probably weren't smart enough to think of"
^_~

Nephilim_X · Mar 20, 2003

To play devils advocate here, Saddam gassed his own citizens to test out his weaponry.

There are no innocent governments in this war.

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