Anime Anime on TV: Good or Bad?

Discussion in 'Manga and Anime' started by femme_fatale, Jul 19, 2003.

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Is anime on American TV actually a good thing?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    54.5%
  1. femme_fatale

    femme_fatale New Member

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    Yes, yes, I know the subject of hatred of edited animation on TV has been beaten to death. It bothers me, too -- Americanization of names (even when the Japanese names aren't that complicated), dumbed-down dialogue, cut scenes, etc.

    But the question I pose to everyone today is: do you think that people appreciate anime more now, with more people seeing it on TV and recognizing it as a pretty cool art form? I know that there are a lot of arguments made that American TV makes all anime look like it's for kids, but in catering to kids, at least a new generation is becoming interested in anime...

    Care to discuss?
     
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    femme_fatale, Jul 19, 2003
  2. Naomi-Chan

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    I personally hate dubbed anime. I think America is ruining it. Then again i guess i wouldn't have found out about anime if it wasn't for the dubbed version of Sailor Moon. But after i found out there were more anime then just SM i actually started liking it more and now i dis-like all the dubbed versions. But i guess America only dubbed it becasue Cartoons are ment for children. But still. Though i do think that with the anime dubbed now it is deffaintly getting more of an audiance and getting more people into it slowly.
     
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    Naomi-Chan, Jul 19, 2003
  3. Shadowbard

    Shadowbard Black-Winged Angel

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    *sigh* Most anime, even in Japan, is aimed at children and younger teenagers, as a note. This doesn't mean that older audiences can't enjoy it, but it will most likely meet with a similar reaction as the one you'd find in America.

    While I don't particularly care for dubs, I can see the value they have in making anime more widely accepted. Most dubs are okay, not wonderful, but okay. Most anime fans start out by watching dubs of some sort because most fans start watching anime on television.

    Some of the changes (name changes, mostly) and editing that are done do bother me, but I try to see where the broadcasting companies are coming from. There are guidelines they have to follow, and while these guidelines are loosening up in some areas, they are still just as tight in other areas. It's just a fact of life.

    ~Shadrach Anki
     
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    Shadowbard, Jul 19, 2003
  4. femme_fatale

    femme_fatale New Member

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    I know about swearing/violence/nudity guidelines a little, but does anyone know what the name changes are all about? I have to wonder, is this something that is done to make the characters more familiar-sounding to Americans, or to make the anime more American-ish? Seems kinda funny to change names if you don't do anything to the Japanese customs and images presented in the show. It's like they don't want people to know that these characters are from Japan: "Mike is in the onsen right now, eating onigiri with his best friend Jake. Mike is all-American all right." :p
     
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    femme_fatale, Jul 20, 2003
  5. Salamander

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    As long as animes are dubbed and edited by americans like they are now, my answer will be no.
     
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    Salamander, Jul 20, 2003
  6. Shadowbard

    Shadowbard Black-Winged Angel

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    If I had to make a guess, I would say that the name changes are made to make the characters easier for non-Japanese people to relate to. The only series I can think of where names were changed, however, are Card Captor Sakura and Sailor Moon. There are probably others, but I can't think of them.

    ...Of course, it bothers me that most American people can't seem to pronounce the Japanese names right anyway. It isn't that hard, really....

    ~Shadrach Anki
     
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    Shadowbard, Jul 20, 2003
  7. Miko

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    i think its ok for there to be anime on american tv, but i had to say no, because they do make it all seem like its for kids.
     
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    Miko, Jul 21, 2003
  8. Omnidragon

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    What really screws everything up is that the Americanised anime are 1/2 to 1 generation behind Japan. Cowboy Bepop, one of the more recent ones, is still a tingy bit too old. Bubblegum Crisis... now that's just ancient.
     
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    Omnidragon, Jul 22, 2003
  9. Miko

    Miko New Member

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    thats true, the stuff we get is sometimes waaay behind the stuff showing in japan.
     
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    Miko, Jul 22, 2003
  10. BakaMattSu

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    Older because, before anime hits television in any form, it more often than not has already had to go through at least two screenings.

    1) Does it make it in Japan?
    -If Japanese audiences don't take to a series in a positive light, chances are that you will not see it. It's possible a fansubbing group will take it as a project, but doubtful it will get licensed by any notable overseas companies.

    2) Does it sell over here?
    -Usually, you won't see anime grace your tube unless it already has a fanbase. In choosing what to get rights for airtime, the shows that have made more marketable sales figures are the ones that will make it.

    In the early days of broadcast anime, only the overly popular series got carried over. We got Astroboy, Sailor Moon, Dragonball, Gundam Wing - all the big names that were known to Japanese television for years before we knew them. We also got rehashes of like Robotech.

    It was proving ground, and we're slowly beginning to see more acceptance in the form of increasing carry overs. It's quite a positive sign to see how some of what we see is only a generation behind Japanese viewers.

    Yet, we're still years behind in televisation, sometimes, and there are gems out there that are only now being exposed to the public in full.

    Fan distributors and the like have the definate edge of variety, pureness, and the least time delay, at the cost of inconvenience and in some cases, loss of professionalism.


    PROS
    -exposure of more anime to the public eye
    -encouragement for viewers to check out unaired anime
    -doesn't cost you as much as VHS/DVD equivalent would

    CONS
    -advertising
    -edited or cut scenes (includes extra localization changes)
    -outdated titles
    -dubbed (listed as a con, since most are not of the level of the original audio tracks)
    -primarily aimed at younger audiences
    -limited to larger and popular titles
    -like all broadcasts, works on a time schedule (as opposed to "off tv", where you can pace viewing as you like)

    The cons coming to mind outweigh the pros coming to mind. I cast a vote for No, in this case.
     
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    BakaMattSu, Jul 22, 2003
  11. Miko

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    *points to bms's post* you make a good point....its finding stuff i like that im having trouble with.
     
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    Miko, Jul 22, 2003
  12. Kamui

    Kamui X//1999... best anime eva

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    I voted no... but i really think...

    There are some good ones, and others that just suck...

    The only dubbed animes i like are Cowboy Bebop and Trigun... that is all...

    Every other one is terrible...

    But, I am a fan of watching anime in Japanese and English subs...
     
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    Kamui, Jul 22, 2003
  13. Dark_Dreams

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    Unlike most people american Tv is the only way I can get my recommended daily amount of anime considering I don't even have enough money to buy a single DVD not that my mother would let me considering she thinks Anime is mindless cartoons. so yes KEEP THE ANIME ON it may not be the original but at least it's there.
     
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    Dark_Dreams, Jul 23, 2003
  14. nightwarrior

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    This reminds me of the cowboy bebop movie review.They said that they never should've brought this movie to the U.S because of the posers.I think T.V should get the low anime and keep the good anime underground.
     
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    nightwarrior, Jul 24, 2003

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