Philosophy Divination Real or not?

Some of us sometimes find ourselves Wondering what does the future hold?

 

I voted that i believe in Divination. I propably said yes because i often work with Tarot cards. Although i do admit that alot of people out there are frauds tarot can work.

 

My answer was no. The reason for this is that you can't have faith in what someones says about your future from a pack of cards but on what your decisions are that you make presently that will make your decision in the future.

 

Follow your own path

I clearly don't believe in divination (fortune telling).. can you really interpret the life of a human being just by gazing at the stars.. You're taking out the passion for life if you keep going on ahead and disecting every detail about what your future holds, don't be too conscious.. Be spontaneous and just keep on walking.

 

Who said divination had to be exact down to every detail?

 

Divination isn't exact... anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand it.... at least as far as tarot goes. It can only tell you stuff based on the choices you make and if you continue to act as you do. It shows you possibilities and it's up to you to chose what to do... if you just sit around then nothing will happen.... I look at Divination as a tool that shows me what choices i have open now and then it's up to me on if i follow them.



Edit- I will be gone until Friday. Gomen all.

 

Thanx

Hey guys thanks for posting (i forgot my password so i made a new id almost the same as ancientelder!)

 

Anyone watch the last episode of Cowboy Bebop? Now THAT's how i want my Divination done. I mean, the guesses were so accurate, just encrypted in a weird way. But seriously, from a pack of cards?

-Seishin

 

O.k as Seto Kaiba himself said 'I can control my own life and do what i wanna do,'either you can believe in some crazy theory or you can live your
life on your on termes..

 

I was a psychic

Here's my testimony. You're free to believe it or dismiss it. I just hope it helps you in any way.

I took a course on "developing psychic abilities" and I was able to see remote locations - well, that's what people over the chat told me. I would describe things and they would say whether I was correct or not.

Unfortunately, I began having visions of destruction and death. I thought THAT was the future of the people I was in contact with... but how do we really know it IS the future? NOt the future that will, or could be. How do we know it REALLY COULD happen?

I began losing my mind and hearing voices - that is until I got close to God, and the Church, and resigned to all this psychic stuff.

Here's a theory that you might find interesting. Being angels immaterial beings that can influence our souls (including desires, emotions, will, imagination), they surely can put images in our head. Images so vivid that we might even be able to feel them.

Now there are good angels, and bad angels. So what if these fallen angels can put images of the future in our minds - to those that are called "psychics"? Those images might be true, or might be not... but how can we really trust them, knowing that there is a *living entity* putting those images in our mind, and that entity is only working to destroy us?

Let me tell you something that happened while I was a "psychic". This woman asked me for a reading - her husband beat her. So she asked me if things would get better. I won't tell you what I saw, but the important thing was that I asked God (i.e. prayed) so she would be safe.

This is where things got.... interesting. I had a vision. I saw myself kneeling before God's throne, and asked Him to take care of her. And He told me, in this vision, that she would (future tense) be OK, that he already had taken care of it (past tense).

This made me realize... if prayers can be so powerful... why people asking for psychics' advice don't ask for prayers? Why don't psychics pray for those asking for counsel? And why do we need information of something that will or may happen for us to take a good choice? Isn't enough having the information of the PAST and PRESENT to help us take a wise choice?

Let me rephrase. If people who asked for readings, instead asked for prayers, KNOWING FOR SURE that they'd be answered, wouldn't they forget about the readings at all?

That was another reason to leave the psychic business. Prayer is free and much more effective than psychic readings.

(Going back to the scary stuff, I noticed other things among the people with "abilities" or those who sought them.
a) Some (not only one) also experienced strange and scary things in their minds, or in their houses (physical things moving out of control, feeling an uncontrollable fear, etc).
b) People who recurred to psychics were in a very unstable mental situation. I remember one who was bipolar, and liked to be among the psychics. He did very bad things (he told us), but never wanted to improve. He was completely hopeless.
c) I met a psychic who didn't believe in God - I had believed that the psychic abilities were a gift from God. So, if God gave this person a gift, how come she couldn't notice where it came from? It made no sense.
d) When I had an encounter with God (not the typical "Jesus loves you" encounter but a supernatural encounter, without the aid of any church-related-person), and began telling people that God loved us, it was almost a consent among those in the New Age circles, that I should leave. Why? I don't know, I thought New Age was all about enlightenment and inner peace - and I had found that Inner Peace, so... something didn't compute.

So in my experience, there's nothing good you can get from psychic readings, or tarot. Prudence and Wisdom can help you get much further than what a reading can. (Why? A reading is a one-time event, and if what we do can change that, we might need a reading later, to see "how we're doing". In other words, it can become addictive. To put it in other words, readings are good (if any good) only for short-term purposes. But wisdom is good for long-term. Both for you and those around you.

And my favorite source of wisdom is, of course, the Holy Bible. It has very good advice (specially the books of proverbs (evangelical bibles), wisdom,sirach (catholic bibles). So, I don't need psychics at all. And I don't think anyone of us should.

 

I'm glad that you have found inner peace but please don't bash the way that i have found it. You posted that people should stay away from tarot but you know what... Tarot is a huge part of my life and my readings are mostly accurate and i attribute my abilities in it to the fact that I am an open-minded individual... I sincerely wish that you hadn't brought religion into this but you have. It is fine and dandy that you are having such an awesome experience with the Christian church and i'm happy that you're happy but as someone who has found the christian church to be so full of contridictories and hypocritic followers I really am still slightly angry with it. I AM NOT TRYING TO GET YOU UPSET but please let's try not to use religious experience as examples in this thread so we avoid offending anyone in the future.

Divination is real and it really works for those of us who have a open mind and can truly benifit from it. For those of us that are closed minded and go into a reading skeptical it won't work. Your mind and heart must be open in my experiences. It may not be like this for all but it has been like this for my experiences.

 

Don't worry, I'm not mad at you, nor I wanted to offend you. I just shared my testimony, of what I lived, just as you shared yours.

But you raise an interesting point. Religion. What is religion but believing in things that cannot be seen? Couldn't divination be classified as such, because there are no physical proofs of it? (You may read James Randi and his million dollar challenge and see what i mean).

I mean, where did Tarot come from, but ancient *religions*? Trying to dissociate a naturally spiritual ritual with its origins is IMHO, illogical.

Sorry if I sound confrontational. But well, I'm just trying to share "the other viewpoint". You said that Tarot only benefits "who have a open mind and can truly benifit from it" - but isn't that the same with all religions? Christian prayer only helps those with faith (even Jesus couldn't heal those who doubted him).

See this is the point. Tarot - and divination in general - is a religion, that we can choose whether to believe in or not. After all, where did the "divine" in "divination" comes from?

(As a side note, i _DID_ have an "open mind" towards anything regarding divination - third eye, tarot, aura reading... why didn't it work for me? Or does the "work for someone" is simply a mix of coincidence and placebo effect?)

Anyway, I'm sorry and apologize in the name of those who hurt you in the name of christianity. I guess no religion is free from false shepperds - just as you said regarding other people who use Tarot for profit.

 

I'm not going to deal with your entire post (as I frankly don't have the time) but here's a few that need to be shot down.

Some people believe it's naturally occuring. I don't see how that never occured to you.

Depends on how you told it. It's possible they interpreted it as you trying to convert them (and luvweaver, lets face it, you are very religious and vocal about it). Nobody ever likes being lectured in such a manner; it's a nuisance and often offensive. Perhaps, without realizing it, you started up on a sermon.

You do know that most if not all warn you not to become reliant on them, right? Furthermore, the same addiction can occur with any ritual. I am curious though. My preffered divination tool is a pendulum; it's been very accurate, however I've never felt compelled to ask it all my questions. Just the odd time when I need reassurance on a matter. (3 months between my two most recent readings) So what am I? Some pagan superhero?

It has some good advice but if I had to pick a holy book for wisdom I'd totally be going towards Buddhist scripture. Bible has gems like stoning a disobediant son, so really, I can only take it seriously so far. However, this is about divination, not the BIble, so lets not keep going on the issue of Biblical wisdom.


Edit: And now for some extra stuff. I would like to know about luvweavers past. I can't help but wonder if he had some religious base in childhood.

On the matter of prayers: Not everyone has handy dandy visions, luvweaver. As far as effectiveness goes, I frankly have had more good experience with divination. As far as "cost" goes, bull. You don't need to pay to divine at all depending on the tools you use.

On unstable people: Yes, because the Church has no unstable people at all. Ever.

To be blunt I think you're suffering extreme bias. If you couldn't make a conclusion that the unbeliever felt psychic abilities were naturally occuring (or that she believed there was no specific god), then I have to say you have trouble looking beyond the confines of your own beliefs. This isn't a flame.

On your experience: But there's also a whole ton of people who have good experiences on both side of the fence, often contradicting each other. Who's to say who's right?

On seperating religious things from their religion: You know what Christmas and Easter used to be right?

 

Thank you Neph! I couldn't have put it better myself! Religious matters aside, no matter what form of divination method you use i still maintain that you must have true openmindedness... without any possible doubts about it at all.

 

I need to interject here to say that if you truly want to be open minded then you will have doubts about it. You'll question whether it is real or not. You should be open-minded to both possibilities that it could be true, or false.

 

I guess you're right about that. I guess I should rephrase what I'm trying to say. I believe that you should trust in yourself when you're doing tarot readings or any other kind of divination method. A wise teacher of mine once told me that one has all the answers they need inside of them and that one just needs to combine what they know with what they feel is right in order to find them. Divination can be a way to subcounciously bring out the answers that lay inside one's self. Am I making any sense or do I sound completely crazy?