Video Games doom3 = slow

running doom3 alpha on UKs comp (athlon XP 1700, geForce4, correct me if I'm wrong) was an unsuccessful attempt to banish the framerate demons. 640*480 with no shadows and it still ran like a slideshow, especially when an enemy showed up.

Of couse it is only an alpha, a 0.2 release that no one was supposed to get. I'm sure the final will run a lot better. Still, I have little faith that it will run well at all on my computer. Not that I really care, I never liked doom..

At least the engine looked impressive. I can make pretty screenshots with it hehe

 

I have 512 MB, and a gf3. One step down from UrashimaKeitaro's gf4, where it ran like crap. This would bother me if I was really itching to play it hehe. Personally, I'm looking forward to Deus Ex 2 a load more than doom6. I mean 3

 

All the new FPS engines are being cursed with bad frame rates.I think that they are going too far with these advanced graphics.If a high end current computer suffers from poor framerate with these games...well,thats not a good sign.I doubt that the framerate will get better ....

Im waiting for Deus Ex 2 alot.(I dont like Doom)Although I am 101% sure I wont be able to run it.

 

I think it's silly to even talk about the framerate of a leaked alpha... The alpha was shown at the E3 and was optimized for the Radeon 9700, so it's not surprising that it doesnt run well on anything else. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it runs, when it's released.

 

you can.. uhm.. chat about it at Elite-Irc.net. Channels #betas and #betas-xdcc have a lot of talk about it.

Of course whining about the framerate is silly hehe. I think I mentioned in my first post that it was an alpha an the final will likely be faster. Still, I doubt it will be fast enough on my comp. Oh well.

In other news, Unreal2 screenies! http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=10219 It has what doom6 lacks.. color. And some of the armor suits look vaguely like something out of Bubblegum Crisis.. hmm

 

I agree,but it does give a general idea of what the game will be asking for when it is released,so thats something.

 

"In other news... sales of ATI and Nvidia video cards sky rocketed today after the leak of the Doom3 alpha..."

I agree with MO, this is not going to be representative of real performance. BUT, the latest trend in first-person games have shown a blatant disregard for performance. UT2k3, Morrowind, Battlefield 1942, all have crappy engines. There's no way around that. They're buggy, memory-sucking *****s.

Although, the pixel-shading water effects in Morrowind make me squirm with delight. That being said, these engines (and doom3 from what I've seen) are pretty as anything. BUT, they're going to see reduced sales. Here's why:

- Gaming has traditionally driven the current rate of PC development. More memory for better games, etc.
- The economy of the 90's was such that people didn't have a problem shelling out the bucks for upgrading to keep their system up to speed. PLUS, there is a real difference between word processing on a 133Mhz and a 500 MHz.
- Not as much between a 1Ghz and a 2 GHz, because people can only type so fast. The past 5 years have seen a decline in the sales of PC's because what's the point, right?
- Well, up until Morrowind and UT2k3, there weren't that many games that pushed the PC development curve. Everything was just being built on the Q3 and UT engines.
- Now that the technology is being pushed to it's limits again by the likes of Doom3, UT2k3, Unreal2, etc., people are going to consider buying these games, and say to themselves, "Geez, I need to upgrade my system." But, because of the poor economy right now, I don't see many people rushing out and upgrading their PC's just for games.
- So, since people are not going to upgrade their comps. Their not going to be buying these games. Consider it the death of graphics over gameplay games like UT2k3. (UT still has more online players, BTW, according to Gamespy.)

Anyway, I'm going to go put my soapbox away, now....

 

true enough Kinryuu.

For the last couple years or so, it seemed hardware development had outstripped software. With such a wide range of speeds out there (500 mhz to 2 ghz easily) it seems most games were made to be able to run on a wide range, and could run on older computers. I got a new comp a year ago, and it could run everything fine at full detail for quite a while. It just didn't seem to me like every new game required a new system as before.

Doom3 etc look to be trying to change that, and I think you're right, people won't be in such a hurry to upgrade. Computers are as fast as they need to be for word processing (though I could always use more speed compiling and stuff hehe) so games are the only real reason to upgrade. I will not be upgrading for doom3. I might upgrade for Deus Ex 2 if I need to hehe, but that's cause the gameplay should rock. I just don't care enough about Doom3's eyecandy to drop a wad of cash.

final thoughts, while this will not be representative of the final speed of the engine, I doubt they can raise the fps from .5 to 30.. and there is the troubling fact that Carmack said at Quakecon that the engine was basically done, and that it's up to the artists now.

that is all

 

Apparently, the E4 demo was leaked by ATI, which ID was not
impressed by.... ho hum

On a lighter note, I saw it running (and played it ), on a friends
P4 2.6@2.9 with 512 pc2700, and a gf4 2600. Man that rocked...
although there might have been a frame or two missing in the big
scenes

 

Judging from the way the game looks I wouldnt be surprised if the best video card out there experiences framerate issues.Way too many polygons......(Just what is the polycount of the average monster in this game?Anyone know?)

 

From the screen shots I saw, the high count of polygons per monsters is worth it all. I been drooling over this picture of the Arachnotron, most of you probably seen it but...

 

Well I agree you shouldn't really be complaining about an Alpha. Alphas are not definite to final version of Doom 3. Come on, its not even a BETA yet. Give it a chance. Btw, they're trying to optimize Doom 3 for the Geforce 3 Ti series. Basically if you have a Geforce 3, you can experence all the fun.

 

im surprised its running so bad, i played it on my p4 1.6 with 768mb of sd ram, with only a geforce 2mx 400, and im getting 10fps walking around with shadows turned off (that doubled my
framerate), it does go to crap when i fire but its still play able,
the demo isnt optimised for a geforce so the finished product shuld run a lot better. you can change a lot off the settings in the demo, try and mess around with them.

 

yeah, there are a lot of tweaks that I didn't get around to trying. and as always, yeah it's an alpha heh

If I were to guess, I would say that arachnotron is concept art, not a screenshot. It is blurred for one thing, and I don't think any game engines can do that.

Starting to worry about Deus Ex 2 as well. Gameplay above all of course, but on nVidia's website, in a video about drooling over their new card, there is Warren Spector talking about making photo realistic worlds


Yes, I know he means when more people have hardware like that, and I can run ut2k3 just fine, so I'm not too worried about Deus Ex 2, not really anyway.

Someday maybe all of us will have hardware like this: http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q4/021118/geforcefx-03.html

 

GeforceFX.... droooooool

 

I think Deus Ex 2 might be a problem for video cards too.The screenshots that are out for it now look very realistic.Not only that but everything moves so smoothly in the game.I think you will need a real heavy duty video card to run this game at a decent framerate.

 

Since this is the doom3 thread, THG has some benchmarks for the new GeforceFX with Doom3. Notice the 20 FPS on the current highest end geforce4 with a 3GHz P4 and 512 Mb RAM, then the nice 50 FPS with geforceFX.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/business/02q4/021120/comdex_day_2-01.html