Philosophy Flexible morality.

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  1. Phalanx

    Phalanx Long Live M2A!

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    I just thought i'd mention this before I let it go unsaid. I remember reading in the news about some old lady getting sued when a burgler with a gun came in and was mauled by her dog after taking a potshot at her. I asked the police (LAPD) about that and they said that it would be better to kill the guy, that way he couldn't get away with a sucessful lawsuit after claiming he wanted to see what time it was (or some similar BS).

    Of course, criminal law might be a bit different where you're living and I don't know what happened to the case. I really doubt the burgler won.
     
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  2. BotticelliLover

    BotticelliLover New Member

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    Well, it was actually two rabbits, and a robin. One bunny died in my hands, and brilliant me wondered for about an half hour when it was going to wake up. I think the bird died of dehydration, or starvation. Yeah, I know there wasn't much I could do about any of them(the bird wouldn't open it's mouth), but it was more the not being able to do something that made me upset.

    Usually they don't make it back up into the nest, as was in the case of the robin. I understand what you are saying, but it wasn't my logical mind that was upset over it. It was my illogical emotions that made me feel guilty about it. I tend to think of all animals I find as my pets, so I grow attached to them in the few days(or hours) that they live.

    Well, if it was the killer bunny, I guess, I would be forced to use the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

    On the finding money in the street, I wouldn't feel any guilt unless it was over $50. If it was a purse, I'd try to find the person and hope for an reward.
    I don't think I'd be able to take the money, and give the purse back to the person. I'd have too much guilt, and I wouldn't be able to lie to their face.

    I guess I have been successfully programmed to feel guilt at any breaking of rules, but it doesn't stop me from doing everything(I just feel really bad afterwards). I'm afraid I would be a very poor criminal unless it involved stealing from rich people or something of that sort.
     
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  3. Genghis Khan

    Genghis Khan New Member

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    So you think that if there was a religion that taught that rapping small children was God's will, you'd say "Yep, that guy's gonna go to heaven! It's how he was raised! Not his fault!" Besides which, some people have pretty crappy morals.

    I think that we shouldn't base our morals on someone's interpretation of the Bible or whatever. Why should we trust some mere mortal's views? It's ridiculous! No man, woman, or child born of this earth has any right to tell you or me "this is okay, this will make you burn in hell!" Take some of the Catholic priests as an example. They were messing with little boys, and THESE are the men hundreds learned their morals from. Society's wacked.
     
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  4. Dante

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    You might want to think about editing this or re-wording it or something, because why way you say that 'No man, woman, or child born of this earth has any right to tell you or me "this is okay, this will make you burn in hell!"'... why... it simply makes it sound as if you're looking for a reason for murder. :) I mean... if no man, woman, or child born on this earth has any right to tell us what is okay and what will make us burn in hell... well then... I guess I can just go right on and kill Bill Gates, take all his money and everything will be peeeaaaaachy keen.

    Well okay, maybe I should use a better example, because I'm sure 98.9% of the population would actually be gracious towards me of having rid the world of that money-grubbing ogre... but, you get the general idea.
     
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  5. Genghis Khan

    Genghis Khan New Member

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    Does it really? Sorry about that, I got kicked off the web before I could complete my thoughts. And I was kinda pissed over . . . life, the universe, and everything.

    With morals, you have to go with gut-feeling. You have to decide how you will interprete man's (and God's) law. I don't really want to trust any other person with my eternal soul. If my choices cause me to burn, at least it's my own fault. That's just my views on it, though. :catgirl:
     
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  6. UFOtaku

    UFOtaku Wachu loorkin at?!

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    Some people have mental diseases, y'know. So they think stuff is right. Is that their fault? Nyu.

    ...or should it be? Is it okay for a retarded person to murder someone? Is it okay for a kid who dosen't know what death is to kill someone?

    Right and wrong aren't black and white. It's all shades of grey (14 shades, to be exact... hee hee the album) so.... yeah.

    As long as you do what you truly believe is right (TRULY) then it's not a sin.

    ...or is it? o.o
     
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  7. Phalanx

    Phalanx Long Live M2A!

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    You know, this might be resonably solvable.

    I brought this up to a professor who is a Philosophy major. According to him, this is the way it works:

    Favor with God, as it is understood today, comes from one's devotion to serving him. Just as all religions are common because they providing different pathways to obtaining a "oneness" with a higher being, so too are there different venues when it comes to an issue such as this. Morality is based on a person's reasoning combined with the knowledge he or she has. Killing to appease god would not be a sin since the person's reasoning did not indicate otherwise becaue the person did not know otherwise.

    However. in our society, such a person would be insane. From this point on, the conversation carried over into different types of insanity and how they would apply to this situation.

    This made sense to me since it explains how this person is not doing wrong against god while still harming his fellow human beings. It seems as if the adage is true: ignorance is bliss.
     
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  8. Paranoid Trooper

    Paranoid Trooper Reanimator

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    I believe that killing is wrong. Except in maybe self-defense, but only if you're in real trouble. In a war it is self-defense, but having a war is ludicrous. At least I think so.

    Mental diseases are another thing. If some psycho serial killer was on the loose, would enter your house and you would have a chance to kill him/her, I believe most of us would kill him/her. But that is going more and more into the self-defense thing. :dizzy2:

    As to Hitler, I think he is wrotting in hell and having a pineapple being pushed in his ***. IF there is a hell, I mean.

    Please don't mind my raving.
     
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