Anime For most of the new members who seem to be New to Anime..

OK.. I see a lot of post about mainstream garbage anime. So i ask you.. you have computers.. go and search www.anipike.com for anime thats not on TV everyday.. something that worth talking about..

I mean look up the Real version of Visions of Escaflowne.. not the Fox one..
Look up Record of lodoss wars, Vampire hunter d, Ghost in the shell, robotech/macross, Akira, Kenshin, Battle angle Alita (a.k.a Gunm) etc etc.

and countless others.. if you more into the drama style anime ask Skuld and a few other members who know all about those.

Ask Nephilim X about Macross, expand your viewing.. and stop posting about all these new kiddie fan anime that keep poping up.. those are not what i call quality anime..

KaMe

 

I myself have seen quite a bit of anime.I may be fairly new to this forum,but I know my way around a quality Japanese animated feature.For instance,if you want to know anything about Cowboy Bebop(except the movie.Haven't seen that yet.*Sob*)just ask yours truely.And,although I haven't found many fans of this anime,I know a lot about Burn Up W.I also know a moderate amout about Love Hina.Need to finish the manga.

 

Ummm....what is your problem!?! I mean, I can understand wanting to have quality discussions about anime, but please consider the following.

- Some people have limited access to anime. The only things they have seen are the things shown on television. By telling them not to talk about what they know you're basically making them feel unwelcome.

- Just because something is mainstream (on American television) doesn't mean that it isn't worth talking about. If we go by that reasoning, people shouldn't be talking about Cowboy Bebop, Inuyasha, or .hack//sign (which will be airing on Cartoon Network in February).

- Some people don't want to look up webpages for series they haven't seen because they don't want spoilers. I know that I'm not going to go finding webpages for series I've never seen (or am currently watching) because I don't want to spoil the story for myself.

And as a note, most anime is for kids in Japan. Hate to break it to you, but that's just the way things are. So calling something 'kiddie anime' seems to be a bit of a contradiction of terms.

On a more positive note, I'm all for more serious discussion of current video/DVD releases as well as series currently airing in Japan. I just don't think we should get on members' cases if they want to talk about what they know and love.

~Shadrach Anki

 

No offence to any one, but I agree with KaMe since I've seen quite alot of animes that would be on shogakan (Japanese magazine) or something, which I consider "kiddie anime".

 

berserk, evangelion, cowboy bebop, outlaw star, hellsing, FLCL ....

 

I'd have to agree with Shadowbard here. It certainly sounds like KaMe is discouraging those with very limited access to anime from talking about what they know. And I don't mean edited versus unedited Escaflowne, either (I'm blissfully one of those who missed Fox's airing of Esca). It sounds to me like he doesn't want to hear posts from limited-access-members about Yu-Gi-Oh (which is corny in whichever language you watch it in), or Pokemon, or Digimon, or American-aired DBZ, or American-aired Sailor Moon.... I know lots of people who absolutely love Pokemon (or at least the earlier episodes). Why tell them they shouldn't talk about it on message boards because it's "kiddie anime" and is on mainstream American television?

I agree, that if all you've had exposure to is TV's edits of series (mind you, I said edits), you should try to find the unedited version if you can. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't talk about it until you do. I'm in a couple of very good discussions on another message board about Inuyasha, where about half the people posting in the forum have only been exposed to Cartoon Network's Adult Swim dub version, rather than fansubs. That doesn't mean they shouldn't talk about it because they've only seen the (somewhat) edited version on television, and don't have access to fansubs. It just means I moderate my posts so as not to spoil later episodes for them (usually by posting spoiler warnings).

And to be perfectly honest, Mordeth and Izzy, a lot of what you listed is very much likely aimed at children in Japan. They're a little less strict and prudish than Americans as to what they allow their children to watch on television. I'm sure some of the seriously risque anime, such as complete and utter hentai-tentacles-skanky-naked-girls-underwear-shots-galore anime is not aimed at children. Kenshin is aimed at children, and look at how much violence is in the unedited version (and I can guarantee it's aimed at children. The manga-ka said so). And with your list, Cardcaptor Sakura is, Ranma 1/2 is, Escaflowne is, etc. A lot of it is. Try looking it up sometime, rather than assuming that what wouldn't be aimed at children in America insn't aimed at children in its native country.

And you really like blood, death, and destruction, don't you Izzy?

 

*tight smile* I wasn't actually speaking for myself, believe it or not. I was speaking in defense of the people who are new to anime, who currently only have access to televised anime for whatever reason, and who like talking about what they know. It should be noted that by and large I don't disagree with what Kame is saying, just with the way he said it.

I have very little interest in the anime currently being shown on TV in America. I've either already seen it subtitled or just don't care. I prefer original language when at all possible. When Escaflowne aired on television I watched their version of the first episode and nothing else.

As far as the stuff I've seen goes, well, most of the stuff I'm currently watching is still airing in Japan. What doesn't fall into that category falls into the 'anime on DVD' category. The point is, I regularly download fansubs of series not available in the USA for whatever reason (usually because they're too new to be licensed).

However, I prefer to not look up information on the series I'm currently watching because fansites are notorious for not clearly marking spoilers. Sometimes even the site title is a spoiler. Also, since I do tend to view very new series there aren't all that many English language sites dedicated to said series. More often than not I'll find manga-centric sites rather than anime-centric ones.

So yeah. I'm not trying to disagree with Kame in principle. I believe I stated that in my first post. I would love to see more discussion about series not airing on American television. I would be happy to answer questions about any series that I've seen or know about. I try to stay up on current release information (Anime on DVD is a great resource for that) so that I know when the series I like are licensed and when they will be released in America.

The point is, there are people who want to discuss what they know. Instead of saying that their thoughts and opinions are not valid (which is what happens when someone says that people shouldn't talk about mainstream series) we should really be trying to offer suggestions of ways that people can branch out into the larger anime world.

And as a note, Escaflowne, Card Captor Sakura, Rurouni Kenshin, and other series are all considered 'for kids' in Japan. Most Japanese anime is directed at children and young adults, just as American animation is directed at children and young adults.

~Shadrach Anki

 

hehehe your a doll blood berry..

hey the purpose of my post is to open ppls eyes to whats out there.. because there is a lot of member around here who rarely post anymore.. why you may ask well because talking about mainstream american kiddie anime is not on there list of things to talk about..

And im sorry to break this to you.. but anime is not mainly geared for kids.. Anime to the Japanese culture is what soaps and action shows are to the westren world..

And im not sure but, from what ppl tell me Cowboy Bebop is not on during prime time.. maybe it is now not sure dont get it in canada.. But bebop is not for kids.. some of the eps are and some are not..

70% of anime ive seen id not show to kids.

anyway does not matter.. but if your online then you have all the access to anime you need..

KaMe

 

Lurker Mod steps in for a visit

Gentlemen, Ladies, Children and all....

*Sigh* where do I begin...
I'll save personal messages for private, so I'll start now with trying to diffuse the public situation here...

First:
Opinions are opinions... they are not insulting someone for their tastes... I can cite several instances where people started with a statement of someones and lept 3 or 4 proverbial miles away with their assumptions... Both sides of this are somewhat at fault here, I'd ask all of you to step back and look at this whole thing a bit more rationally and to take other peoples opinions into view.
This post started out with a plea for people to find out more about series that aren't mainstream... this is all fair and good... please watch your wording, some people like that 'mainstream garbage' and saying that it's garbage is a blatant insult. (this is just one insult I'm quoting, I'll attempt to corral it at that...)
People... please try to not insult others for their opinions... this is M2A, not a flame board...

Second:
When responding, please don't jump to conclusions... You don't know the person who posted like you know yourself... you can't express what they are thinking... if you have a question about it, ask, if you're going to insult them with such an assumption... keep it private if you do it at all...

Third:
Some of us are accessing not from our own computers... I'm limited to accessing from Open Access labs on my Campus... I can't send/recieve anime except by CD's for the time being. (in that format anyhow)

For the moment, I will stop, I ask all of you to stop the inbound flame war before it actually arrives... I, along with a few others here would like to see a friendly community, differences in opinion happen and can be discussed without resorting to insults, name calling, jumping to conclusions, etc... in fact, the more knowledgable you are on a subject, the less likely you will resort to such tactics.

I conclude with this message... M2A is a wonderful community, let's work to keep it that way.

-UK
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Back to the shadows I stalk, walking the way of one who knows too much.

 

::blinks in surprise at some of the inaccuracies in some members' posts::

Bloodberry: "And as a note, most anime is for kids in Japan. Hate to break it to you, but that's just the way things are. So calling something 'kiddie anime' seems to be a bit of a contradiction of terms.
hehe you are so funny. and misinformed. most anime that fox or the wb keeps trying to show is mostly "kiddie animation". lemme guess, do you use the word "japanimation"? if you do...i'm sooo sorry."

KaMe: "And im sorry to break this to you.. but anime is not mainly geared for kids.. Anime to the Japanese culture is what soaps and action shows are to the westren world.."

Izzy: "Shadowbard, Kogorashi, what the anime I mentioned is aimed at young adults, what I had meant by "kiddie" would be....beyblades, pokemon, etc."

Most anime is aimed at children in Japan. Yes, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh and similar anime are "kiddie animation," but so are some of the anime you people keep insisting are aimed at adults (and for the sake of this argument, I'm going to include young adults, i.e. teenagers under 18, in the "child" group, since in America they wouldn't be allowed into rated R movies without an adult). Just because America shows it late at night doesn't mean it's obviously aimed at adults. Most of the magazines that the manga of these series are published in in Japan are aimed at children (not just young adults). Since the manga is generally more violent and more risque than the anime version of it, it's generally a good assumption that the anime of these series are also aimed at children. Also, yes, there are anime shown in America that aren't aimed at children in Japan. But most anime, including a lot of what you've listed, is for children in Japan. The ones that aren't are probably similar to such anime as Ayashi no Ceres and La Blue Girl, and most of the hentai series.

Don't believe me? Think I'm "misinformed"? I happen to have Japanese acquaintances here (college where Japanese is taught by Japanese people from Japan who are quite familiar with anime) who know what they're talking about. Anime isn't the Japanese equivalent of soap operas in most cases. Anime is the Japanese equivalent of American cartoons (duh), and in some cases family television (like the old shows that used to be shown on TGIF). Japan acutally has live-action shows, believe it or not, and I'm not just talking about Iron Chef. They have live-action sitcoms and soap operas. They also have movies that are, believe it or not, live-action. I've seen such films subtitled here on campus before. Like Shall We Dance? I'd certainly like to hear your reasoning behind why most of the anime you listed has to be for the older group of young adults (young adults being ages 11-18 or 19) and adults.

To address another assumption posted more than once in this thread.... You seem to assume that everyone who has a computer has high-speed internet access, or unlimited internet access. While I do have a cable-modem while I'm at school, when I'm home (at least 4 months of the year), I'm limited to my parents' 56K dial-up modem, and a computer that needs to be shared among 7 people. My parents have also set the rule that the computer isn't to be connected to the internet more than 12 hours of the day, because it raises the monthly rate of our internet connection. Due to this fact, I'm severely limited to my anime access while I'm home, and have to watch what I've burned onto CD, which isn't much. I don't have the time to spend up to 24 hours connected to the internet with Kazaa or Direct Connect or AIM running to get anime from other people (and that is roughly how long it would take, minimum, for my parents' internet connection to download a half hour episode of an anime). This certainly discourages me from trying to download anime at home, especially when it can take up to four hours to download a 5-minute song. I'm pretty sure some other members of MtA are under similar circumstances. It's not that they're limiting themselves, it's that they are limited to their anime access. Their connections may be such that they can't download anime from their home computers, so they resort to watching dubbed and edited anime on tv. And they talk about it, because they get excited about it and want to talk about it.

So why don't they look up anime online, you ask? Because some people don't want spoilers. Because some sites don't give good summaries. Because some people would rather watch the anime themselves than hear other people rave about it. Because some people would rather base their anime discussions on their own personal experiences with anime, not on some other person's half-page paragraph on how wonderful Sailor Moon or Cowboy Bebop is. I know I'm one of those people.

So why don't they rent or borrow anime, you ask? Because some places don't have anime available for rent, beyond episodes of Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Digimon, DBZ, etc., which you seem so adverse to hearing constant discussions about the dubs of. I know I live in places like that, both at home and at school (and I go to school in a fairly large city, which still doesn't have the greatest rentable anime selection). Also, some might not have friends who have a very wide selection of anime to borrow, and thus will be limited to what they can watch.

So why don't they buy anime, you ask? Because some people are broke. I'm one of those people. I only own one anime dvd of my own, and that was a Christmas present. Some people can't afford to go out and buy anime on dvd or video. And some people who can don't want to go and buy an anime they haven't ever heard of before, just because someone on a message board told them to. If they find out they don't like the series, it's awfully hard, if not impossible, to sell back used videos and dvds, and then to that person that is a waste of money and they might never buy anime again or listen to the person who recommended the series to them. Also, some don't want to have to pay other people to have anime CDs sent to them.

So what does this leave? Watching anime on television. And discussing that anime on message boards.

You say some members don't post on the board because they're tired of all the discussions about anime that's shown on mainstream American television. You blame it on the people watching anime on tv. I'd put the blame on the members who are too lazy to start up threads about the lesser-known anime. Come on, people. It's not the fault of those who have little or no access to the lesser-known stuff. If anything, it's the fault of the members who let themselves be discouraged by the abundance of threads about Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh, and don't bother to start up a thread about Lime Iro no Senkitan (I believe that's how you spell the Japanese title) or Rizelmine.

 

I'd put the blame on the members who are too lazy to start up threads about the lesser-known anime. Come on, people. It's not the fault of those who have little or no access to the lesser-known stuff. If anything, it's the fault of the members who let themselves be discouraged by the abundance of threads about Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh,


Just to let you know at the bottom of each forum is an option

"Showing threads 1 to 25 of 40, sorted by thread title last post time number of replies number of views thread starter rating"

Now if you click a few things there you can go back and look at every single thread.. and if you note you will se countless of threads about Different anime thats hardly ever talked about..

Why are they Idle and unused you may ask.

because of countless repeat thread about.. what type of anime would you be, What anime Male/female do you like, beyblades, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon etc etc..

oh the threads have been posted.. We are Just making an Atemp at the moment to Get them moving again..

I mean sure "mainstream garbage" as i call it is a great introduction to anime for those who never seen anime before.. but coming on this forum one wonders about all the other anime out there.. but i dont see ppl asking..

So the point Of this thread is to Try and Open Doors for EVERYONE..

yes i can be blunt about how i try to make a point.. but thats me and im not hear to be popular.. So i hope we can start seeing the positive side of this Thread now..


KaMe

 

First, you may or may not have noticed that UrashimaKeitaro pointed out that you calling what's on tv at the moment "mainstream garbage" is insulting to the anime itself. Yes, it's more often than not editied, and yes, a lot of people dislike dubs. That doesn't make it garbage.

As for creating posts and all, I've noticed that this forum (MtA in general) doesn't seem to have forums for what's on television and all that. It doesn't have a Pokemon forum, or a Yu-Gi-Oh forum. It doesn't have a Cartoon Network forum. If the "mainstream garbage" threads, as you put it, are that much of a problem, why not create forums to put "mainstream garbage" threads in? You're a mod, aren't you? You could suggest it very easily to BMS and Cloud. And then the general anime forum would be cleared of these threads and have more room for the newer anime that doesn't have its own forums. And if DBZ threads are a problem, why not use your great mod powers and move them to the DBZ forum? Make room for the threads you want people to see.

Along the same vein, if there are so many repeating threads, refer posters to the original and close the repeats. The mods on Animeboards (the first message board I joined) do that, and it seems to work quite well.

As for people with questions not asking...maybe they aren't daunted by all the "mainstream garbage" posts. Maybe they just don't feel the need to ask at the moment. I know for a fact that when people want suggestions on new anime to watch, they will ask. I've done that before. And if you're trying to open doors for "EVERYONE," you really shouldn't go calling what some people really like to watch "mainstream garbage." It's rather rude.