Philosophy is art an acquired skill?

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  1. Shadowstalker

    Shadowstalker New Member

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    alright...im not so sure if this is the place to put it, but whatever. do you think art is an acquired skill or do you think that people are born with the talent and they just need someone to bring it out in them?

    i think art is an acquired skill. i dont think you are born with the talent. your parents can be really good and skillful artists and so can a lot of your family in the back round...and when you get their age you couldnt even draw a stick person right. i think its somewhere along the lines of time, coordination, practice, will, and deticating yourself to that piece of art work. some people have a good eye yes, and a good imagination, a good hand, but i think that one day, they had something going for them as a picture or something and they worked and deticated their time, did as best as they could, practiced all the time, and now are good artists. i was talking with my art teacher the other day and she said when she was my age, she couldnt even draw a twig let alone make a straight line. but she said she practiced and worked on it till she got better, and better, and better till she is now an art teacher and does some of the best art work i have ever seen. but as i said before...detication...corridination...practice...the will...and the time to sit and just work on this one piece

    so what do you guys think?
     
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  2. UFOtaku

    UFOtaku Wachu loorkin at?!

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    I think that people CAN learn to create art, but to me, art is completley different from your pen-and-pencil perspective. At first, I too thought, "How can you possibly be BORN with it?" But you can be. Some people just naturally have the talent. If people can be born actors, why can't they be born artists? You can see by someone's writing habits whether or not they have artistic talent. Some people can see more abstractly than others. Even perfectly normal realism drawing takes a little something extra; you have to have an eye for it. I firmly belive you can't TEACH an artist. It's impossible. Art is a perspective that can only be experienced. Sure, I could put you in an art class and show you how to draw shapes and shades, but does it always work? For example, let's take manga. A lot of people want to draw it, to complete their anime fandom-ness. People practice for years. And it just isn't there. I belive it's because they don't open themselves true art, and the joy of creating. "Artists" are born with the desire to create or recreate things the way they see them. Photographers, too. So if you're born wanting to do these things, and you are, because a person's personality is formed by the age of two (not to say it can't change), and babies, more often than not, know what they want. So you grow up teaching yourself. And that kind of training can't be duplicated.

    Yes, you can most definately be born with it, just like some are more athletic, or more linguistic. Artists can see what others just can't. You can be taught, but how fast can a trained horse run, compared to one that has pure natural speed?
     
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  3. Dilandau

    Dilandau Highly Disturbed

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    Hmm... tough question. I think that the ability to create art is partially a natural talent, and partly a learned skill - and the percentage of each present in an artist varies from person to person.

    For example, I've been drawing basically since I was a toddler, in one form or another. I'm a fairly good artist, judging by the reactions I get, though I've by no means reached what I feel is the peak of my potential. I do improve with practice - but the drive, the inspiration, has been there as long as I can remember. I think that's the necessary thing before you can be an artist. Many people probably have latent artistic potential that never goes anywhere, simply because they're not interested. Likewise, there are many individuals who may start out with very little skill, but through practice they can learn to express their inspirations visually, as art.

    Some people are good at things without ever trying (lucky them). Others really have to work to achieve the same level of skill - but it is possible. Maybe not for everyone, but most people can improve significantly if they work at it. So basically, I think it can go either way.
     
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  4. Angel from hell

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    I beleive that anyone can be artistic... getting others to appreciate your style/work is the skill
     
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  5. seraphinx

    seraphinx Oy, Artista!

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    Yeah, art is an acquired skill... it's just that some people have more potential with it than others. I had a lil bit of interest in art as a child--just a lil more talent than the average kid. Yet when I got to be roughly around 12 years old, I realized that drawing faces and bodies was REALLY hard, so I avoided it! I remember, I even drew people facing away from the viewer so that I didn't have to draw their faces. :shy: And when I did a story book in 6th grade, I was so discouraged to draw faces that my book didn't have a single face in it. :shy: (Instead, there were close-ups of feet, or a bedroom scene with just the character's arms on the bed, etc.)

    So yeah, after years and years of practicing, now I'm an art major in college. Aptitude in art is more than just knowing how to think artsy or having poetic dreams flying around in your head... you also need to know technical things, like eye-to-hand-to-paper coordination, visual perspective/proportioning. As so art uses a variety of different, smaller skills, rather than one big skill. I think that makes the learning process so much more different than other class subjects like science or history.

    Some people are just full on junk at drawing, or art in general. Can we teach them to get better? I think anyone can, just that the results vary.
     
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  6. KazigluBey

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    I believe one can be born with a natural talent for art. I also think art can be an acquired skill. Art, like any other talent, must be practiced in order to improve. Whether you were born with or later acquired this talent is, in my opinion, irrelevent. What matters is how much you worked to develop it.
     
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  7. BotticelliLover

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    I believe all are born with the potential to be artist, but how they are raised influences whether they are good at it.

    And actually if you think about it, being good at art is purely an opinion based thing. To some Pollock's work is a bunch of scribbles, but to others it is a masterpiece.

    When it comes to realism though practice improves the art.
     
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  8. Shen

    Shen Indefinately away

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    Going a little off topic here but have you also considered what exactly art is? art is technically undefined... Anything can be art depending on who views it and in what type of perspective they are viewing them from. Take for example... not too long ago in the papers, the London National Gallery staged an exibition and one of the main displays was 7 bin bags set in a particular order. That is worth £40,000 (estimate $70,000), it's plain ordinary refuse bags, nothing special about them, not really appealing, just.... rubbish. So... certainly to me this is NOT art. So potentially anyone can be an artist as long as the viewers accept the style.

    - Shen
     
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  9. Saiyan ChiChi

    Saiyan ChiChi New Member

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    I think it can be both ways. You can be born with natural talent. But also with enough practice you can learn the skill too.
     
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  10. raiko

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    nice Topic...

    for me its mainly inborn....

    all u need 2 do is to enhance that inborn ability.....
     
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  11. VM1070

    VM1070 Let's Go Voltron Force

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    I have to say that Art (in the text you are asking about) is something some people are born with. I think as time goes by, those same people enhance those skills through future education and practice. At the same time, lack of said practices can result in the skill to deminish and fade to nothingness.

    Case in point----I used to be very good and a young kid when it came to all sorts of drawings and artwork. As I grew older, I guess I didn't give those hobbies as much attention as I once did, and now my drawing skills are somewhat shabby.

    Victor
     
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  12. Bloodberry

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    i believe the ability to create art is something nurtured over time. via jewelery, drawings/paintings, sculpture (which can include saily objects), homes, landscapes. all kinda of things. i think it's just more something you become aware of. i mean, most creatively active people usually notice things about their environs that the majority ignore or just can't see. i think there's little to be born into you, and more on how perseptive and creative you are encouraged to be.
     
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  13. anna desu

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    I have been drawing my entire life. I look back at all my old drawings and say to myself, "Wow, those are terrible." Over the 19 years of my life I have had to practice at drawing, and I am still constantly get better. Drawing is not something you can just "do". Art is something that you have to work at. It's like playing a sport, or learning to cook. Yes, it's true that some people catch on quicker then others, but if the slow learner stays at it he or she will eventually get as good as the quick learner. You don't pop out of your mom, grab a pen, and draw a lovely work of art. You have to have patience, drive, and imagination. You have to do things your own way, yet still listen to other people's ideas. ART IS NOT A BIRTH RIGHT. You have to earn skill yourself.
     
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  14. Sen

    Sen Ero-ninja

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    some people have better skills than others since the moment they are born, mostly on how your brain works or how you see things.

    but anyone can be a good artist, its all about practice, you learn to draw by drawing, theres no other way around.

    two years ago i couldnt even draw stick figures XD, now my skills are quite decent, and i think i could be better if i havent wasted so much time, i mean i hardly even draw, but im trying to change that, ill practice everyday and well see how it goes :)

    practice is everything
     
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  15. raiko

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    enhancement of ur skill on art is only secondary...

    those who have it through nature have great advantage...

    aquiring through self-well is a though one...
     
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  16. D3vil's Anjil

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    Yes i think one could be born an artist to some extent. But the only way someone could really be an "artist" is to be able to want to draw...or create art. Because no matter what your lineage, if you dont have the interest there is no way you'll ever enjoy, or be good at what you do. So in a way I suppose you could be born with the talent, but in order to be successful with that talent you must acquire enough skill to be able to "unlock" such talent
     
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  17. Spiggy

    Spiggy Freak of Nature

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    I think it's a bit of both. to do art, you need to be able to see things in a different light, take them into perspective, that sort of thing. But you have it in you to want to take somethin, and create your feelings on it on paper. I spose i'm tryin to say you need art in the soul! sounds so corny...
    However, only practice will improve the technical side to art. but i agree with shen - 7 bin bags for that much money? madness!
     
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  18. Vicious

    Vicious Revolution...Revolucion!

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    Ima have to give my own opinion on this one. Once you think about it, it all depends on the other things you do ya know. For instance, i like to play video games alot ( Im practically a master :anime: ) And if i were to face somebody who doesnt play video games at all in this game that requires the speed to press buttons who do you think will be better.

    Now if i were to face somebody who plays video games and who is constantly on the computer. (one who has learned to type very rapidly) Im up for a challenge arent I?

    I dont think that was a good example, but i surly hope that you know where iam coming from. To sum everything up, your "outside" activities somehow affect on the stuff you usually do.

    Ill think of a better example later on....my mind is fried right now LOL.
    ( I think this was my largest post ever. :dizzy: )
     
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  19. Kain

    Kain Plaything of Doom

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    I think that it's an acquired skill. I used to be pretty bad (and i kind of still am) but i think that i'm a lot better then i was 5 years ago. Thought i do believe that some people are born with more artistic talent then others. But its really just a mtter of wotking on your techneque.
     
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  20. Yasuko

    Yasuko I beg your pudding?

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    I believe that you are born with artistic talent. Sometimes it even runs in the family. It's a gift, like many other talents (i.e singing) that certain lucky people obtain. Some people, however, never open up and use their ability. Some people can get better from acquiring skills, but still lack artistic creativity. It's hard to explain, really...
     
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