Master Vs. Pupil

Who would win?
Who is superior?

The master vs. the successor

Vote for the one you believe would win the battle...



(I just saw Crouching Tiger,Hidden Dragon)The idea of a pupil surpassing his/her master in skills and power gives me hope of proving to the elderly that we (the new generation) are better

 

i say kenshin.

hehehe.

 

I think it depends of the ability of the student to understand his master's teachings, find any of his flaws, and improve his ability. THe more determined the student is the better he can be than his master. I can't remember what's her name, the young girl from Crouching TigerHidden Dragon, but she was determined to exceed her master abilities through hard work. It doesn't come as a hasty generlization, our generation can have a couple of lazy people who are not willing to be better than their teachers but average.

As for Kenshin, I think he's an average student.. I concluded this from what I saw at the Ova Samurai X.

"It's not wise to listen to someone who is not listening to you."

 

Kenshin did defeat his master though >_<x although it almost seems strange because Hiko already knows and has mastered Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu, so wouldn't he know how to fight and defeat any opponent who wields it?

 

The Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon analogy is not really appropriate here because that girl didn't surpass her master by learning her master's teaching. She wasn't even particularly determined, she just can natural understand the teachings from the book better than her teacher that was all.

In terms of ability, Hiko should win. He's stronger and faster and the reason Kenshin beat him was because he was being the human target when teaching him the succession technique. It wasn't a real fight. In this kind of discussion, the real outcome always depends on whoever is writing the story. So in that respect, Kenshin will always win in the end just like how he defeated all the stronger opponents he fought in the anime and manga.

Who will win? - Kenshin
Who is superior? - Hiko

 

I KNOW!!! that was so freakin' awesome! the hilt of the Sakaba took most of the force from the impact and spared Hiko from death... I guess the sword does know it's master's mind or is it the other way around......

 

if Kenshin thinks Kaoru's in danger, then Kenshin definately.... case in point, Jinchuu Arc... Kenshin's bleeding badly after Enishi beat him and was threatening Kaoru's life.... Enishi, who wasn't wounded at all from the fight got a surprise when Kenshin didn't bother using the sakabato and PUNCHED Enishi in the face and CONTINUED punching Enishi, to the point of where Kenshin would've beaten Enishi to a bloody pulp if it wasn't for the fact that the Whalemouth grabbed him right when Kenshin was preparing to go in for the KO. Enishi's injuries after the fight? Bruises all over his body, being barely able to move for a few weeks, and having one of his arms in a sling. NEVER threaten Kaoru infront of Kenshin.

 

Hiko

Ok, alot of you seem to have gotten this wrong.

*Spoilers Ahead*

Kenshin did not in any way defeat Hiko in a fight. What Kenshin did do was perform the succession technique. A technique that Hiko knew would kill him if Kenshin managed to pull it off no matter what he did.

He says before the fight that this is the way the succession technique has been passed down through the generations. That every student who inherits this technique, inherits it at the cost of the masters life. If the student is unsuccessful he is killed by his master. Simple.

Of course regardless of whether Kenshin reversed his blade or not the force that the succession technique would generate would be enough to kill anything but hey this is anime so anything goes.


Anyone who hasn't seen it, well, you really have something to look forward to. After the fight between Kenshin and Shishio it is the best fight scene or moment at least of the entire three story arcs.


Oh and as to whether Kenshin or not Kenshin would be able to defeat Hiko in a fight that is a definite NO! When Kenshin returns to inherit the succession technique he admits as much himself.

Even when he summons all of his strength he can manage little more than to scratch Hiko.

 

I also think it's Kenshin.

 

Kenshin will win fore sure..

 

I really don't know, ND really has me thinking. Hiko surely does have a lot more experience with Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu than Kenshin does and a lot more patience and strength. But I think that Kenshin said that it does not matter how strong an opponent is because you can use their strength against them(well he can anyway). I'm sure that Hiko did use all of his fighting potential against Kenshin when he taught him the succession technique, if not then I don't think it would have been a good test at all.

 

I'm sure Hiko did use all of his fighting ability but only to a certain extent. His intent was not to fight Kenshin only to force Kenshin into a position where he either would perform the succession technique or die. As I said if Kenshin performed the move he would win no matter what. Now if Hiko were to battle Kenshin using all of his ability and moves including the succession technique I think the result would almost certainly not go in Kenshins favour. Hiko has everything Kenshin has(speed) as well as superior strength and experience and strength does count against Kenshin in a couple of fights regardless of whether he say he can counter it by using their strength against them. At the very limit Kenshin and his tougher oppenents fight at it would make a difference.