Recreation Opposition to war in Iraq dwindles...

Germany Sees the fall of Saddam as a "gain for mankind"

This is pretty interstesting. Apparently now that the war in Iraq seems to be comming to a close, Germany agrees that it was a good thing. I wish they would have said this a few weeks ago, we might have been able to let the UN do its job and protect the world. But that might cost German lives, so let the Americans and the Brits go die for the safety of the world.....

France rethinks its position due to $ issues

France is apparently worried about monitary implications to opposition of the war. French exports have been hit since the Americans are boycotting and President Chirac worries that continued opposition might knock France out of the pool of nations that will rebuild Iraq, which would be a substantial loss of money...

We oppose war! Unless it hurts our pocket books!

This is so rediculous. If you oppose the war, fine is a free world. But if you have any decency dont go changing your views just when you might lose some cash. If the French govt. had stuck with it, I could have respected them but this is so low.

 

France opposed war due to oil deals with Iraq anyway.

 

That Artimis is an American view.. Now let me tell you how I see things.. along with others

American Companies are getting 3 trillion dollars to go in and rebuild Iraq.. not world wide companies.. but American.. (kind of makes you wonder why America want to war eh)

have they found any chemical weapons yet.. Not that ive heard of.. So where are they ????.

the only good thing that has come out of this is the ppl of Iraq will no longer have live under the Rule of Sudam and UN sanctions!!..

But what about all the Other countries in the world who have Warlords. killing women and children in Africa in most countries is very comom.. what about them.. Oh wait their countries have Nothing to offer the world so why bother helping get rid of the war lords..!

America wants to Stop terrorism.. So they say lets stop the terrorist countries by invading them, that will make ppl stop and think.. hey if we attack them they will invade us.. Well that’s a silly way of looking at things because well that’s just a *Maybe that will work theory!..*

But the war is over.. nothing you can do to protest that matter anymore.. But i say this. Better let the UN back into things or odds are in will crumble and they wont be a UN anymore.. and that Might be a bad thing!


But thats just the way i see things!

Kame

 

Kame, just one thing... got a source for that 3 trillion figure? Seems a little much to me...

 

I and my canadian friends stil truly hate the u.s., and we are strongly opposed o the WAR!!!!

 

It was an artical in the Globe and mail..

But its not 3 trillion being giving to the companies but 3 trillion dollars that they will make from rebuilding Iraq, Which i think will be paid for with the oil fields.. ANd yes its 3 TRILLION.

may be on the Globe and Mail web page dont know.

kamE

 

Your not reffering to those tabloid magazines are you? I hope not, because those things get their fuel off gossip and such.

They're still fighting. Aside from running into things, the soldiers are not going to bother hunting down that stuff while there are still people in support of Hussain lurking around. Besides, they showed pictures of and talked about a find last week of some (I don't know the number) of these medium-range chemical missles that were found all preped and ready for the firing that Iraq said they didn't have. They also ran into drums of stuff in the open regions, but that stuff is probably pesticides (look at the setting, that stuff was in the middle of a farm).

I seriously think the UN needs to be re-constructed. It just doesn't work, everyone there can complain and moan, but the only thing they really use is economic sactions (besides, these things end up hurting the citizens instead of the government). Look at the Soviet actions in Afghanistan and Checkoslovakia or how about the Russian actions in Chechnya? What did the UN do? I also might want to point out that the Soviets/Russian were very brutal and in some cases, murderous in the way they inacted their military campains. However, the US goes through a city and quite effectivly roots out the enemy forces with a relativly small number of casualties. I have the feeling that most people are against us doing anything because we are pretty sucessful at getting what we wanted accoplished in ways that nobody else can (I might be wrong, but seriously, not even the Russians have the capabilities we do).

I do feel a bit of remorse about the looting and can understand why some of the people in Iraq are not happy. But can you imagine the propaganda the Arab world would have if they got pictures of US soldiers arresting groups of Iraqies without an Iraqi police officer there? This whole thing is all image and politics.

My cousin is over there, shipped last week ( he's happy about it too). Goodluck bro, see you when you get home!

 

I'll note that when you argue FOR the war, you are not allowed to use the news media, because they are owned by the government and lie to everyone. Yet, if you oppose the war, then anything you see in the newspaper is just fine to use, because obviously if they support your view they can't be lying. People need to make up their minds, you can't just say you can't believe what the media says then use them as your source of information.

- Ark

 

The Globe and Mail is one of, if not THE, most presitgious and highly regarded newspapers in Canada.

 

Seeing as were on the topic.

Go to this site www.newamericancentury.org

and have a look at their statment of principals.
before you say "gee what a bunch of crazies" look at the names attached at the bottom. All very powerful people that go all the way to the top.

Scary stuff I think. Kinda makes you look at these events in a different light.

 

Proves my point that the American Education system when it comes to the rest of the world is none existant and through out all american history they have done no wrong...

its realy sad.

And NO the Globe and Mail is NOT a tabloid.. I dont even read that trash!.

Its canada Version of the New York Times!

KaME

 

Heh, no need to get all huffy about me making sure those weren't tabloids. There is one called the "Globe" and I just wanted to make sure (wasn't trying to jape or mock you guys).

Oh, i'm not saying we are infallable, no country is. There's been plenty of messed up stuff that we have done in the past, so I don't feel any hesitation to say that because its true. Wan't some examples, the extermination of the Native Americans by the US army, the whole cause of the war with Mexico in order to complete the "Manifest Destany", the war with Spain, us getting all the credit for finishing off WWI, the McCarthy cursade during the Cold War and various chunks of the Vietnam war. I could probably find more if I looked, so i'm not trying to say that the US is "The Good Side" and everyone else that opposes us is evil in every case (in many instances, we've been the evil guys).

 

Do I hate Germany or France?

No

Am I angry about the way the German government and French government are handling this situation?

Yes

But hey, if you want to hate the US, keep it up! I guess that means you hate me, too bad you don't even know me, but don't let that stop you. Hate is wonderful for the human race! It causes racism, violence, abuse, war, and death!

 

Yeah, but war does solve problems. Not in the prettiest way, but it does.

 

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with you on this point.

Hate starts the war and the only way to stop it is to fight back.

 

mass kiling serves nothing. Everything would be easier if the cia could assasinate people. but no thats just wrong.

i love your thinking. so brilliant.

you are not having threats thrown at you from every terrorist group ever and obviously don't realize germs aren't going to stay in one country. Smallpox kills 90% of unvaccinated victims and could easily cross an imaginary line into another country.

The song Imagine, by John Lennon says alot about my view.

 

Yeah I'm sure John Lennon would have supported you views whole heartedly.

And Imagine says a lot about his views.

 

Yes it does. Its morally wrong, but it does. No opposition makes it rather hard to be challenged.