Japanese Some help please?

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  1. Zelgadis

    Zelgadis New Member

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    I'll admit I still make stupid mistakes like I did, thanks atleast for criticizing me, in my opinion it is far better to question and fail than to accept without effort.

    ore I is used by males
    boku I is used by children, young men
    anata You is used by everyone
    watashi I is used by everyone
    kimi You is used by males to close friends
    atashi I is used by females
    omae you used by males to inferiors

    those are all I know right now.
     
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  2. Kirei na kimyou

    Kirei na kimyou New Member

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    Yes, of course...I know who can use what pronouns; but what do they mean? What is keeping someone (a man, say) from using Watashi instead of Ore? Or the other way around? Why does females speak themselves of watashi, atashi and even watakushi at times? That's what I wish to know...

    Kimi also seems to be used when referring to a girl; not a man.

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    Also...just wanted to check with you if these sentences are right:
    Kaze wa tabi o utau desu - The wind sings of a journey
    Kaze wa tabi o hanashite. Soshite, sore wa furui hiiroo ni noridasu - The wind tells of a journey embarked upon by a legandary hero.

    Also...by any means, how would you link together the sentence with "which" instead of "and"?
    Oh and, you may also help me by telling me what forms (like te, the polite one, and so on) to use where. I don't get the hang of them quite...also, how do you make the passive form?
    And last I hope...what about this question:
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    I can't find the word in the dictionary...
     
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  3. Zelgadis

    Zelgadis New Member

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    As far as I know it is ethier preference or the circumstances that dictate their usage. Kimi is used when refering to close friends or subordinates ethier male or female.




    kaze ga tabi yaku itte iru ga, dotchi kara furui hiroo wo noridashita.
    wind tells about journey, from which an old hero embarked
    te iru indicates a action happening at the moment
    ta indicates a past action.
    I am not sure about dotchi kara but that is my best guess on how to say that
    may be an expert should come clarify it


    onna no ko ni mietatte
    I'm guessing it could be a combination of -tatte and mieru but thats only a guess.
     
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  4. Jet_Black

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    massive post of all japanesse I know

    Shoujo = Girl

    Shounen = Boy

    Tenshi = Angel

    Tengoku = Paradise

    Tsubasa = wings

    Usotsuki: = Liar

    Wai = the same as "hai" but used as an exclamation(like "Wai Kawaii!" could translate into "Sooo CUTE!"..don't forget to say it in a kawaii squeaky voice ^_^)

    Warui = bad

    Watashi = I

    Washi: short form of watashi used by the elderly

    Watakushi: the longest and most formal version of watashi. Generally used by girls when at all. Guys use it when they wish to convey respect to the person they're speaking to

    Yakusoku = Promise

    Yo: !

    Yume: Dream

    Zurui: Unfair

    Greetings and Farewells

    Farewell! - Gokigenyo

    Good afternnon! (Hello!) - Konnichiwa

    Good morning! (Hello!) - Ohayo gozaimasu

    Good night! - Oyasuminasai

    Good bye! - Sayonara

    Hi! - Ya(inf)

    How have you been? - Ogenki desu ka

    How's it going? - Ikage desu ka

    *Badly - Anmari yoku arimasen

    *Fine! - Juncho desu

    *Not bad! - Waruku arimasen

    *Quiet well! - Umaku itte imasu

    *So, so! - Mama desu

    *Very well! - Umaku itte imasu

    Please give my regards/greetings to... - ...san ni yoroshiku otsutae kudasai

    See you! - Soredewa, mata

    *See you later! - Soredewa, nochihodo

    *See you soon! - Soredwa, chikaiuchi ni

    *See you Sunday! - Soredewa, nichiyobi ni

    Kazu - Numbers

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    Zero - 0
    Ichi - 1
    Ni - 2
    San - 3
    Shi - 4
    Go - 5
    Roku - 6
    Shichi - 7
    Hachi - 8
    Kyu - 9
    Juu - 10
    Juu-ichi - 11
    Juu-ni - 12
    Juu-san - 13
    Juu-shi - 14
    Juu-go - 15
    Juu-roku - 16
    Juu-nana - 17
    Juu-hachi - 18
    Juu-kyu - 19
    Ni-juu - 20
    Ni-juu-ichi - 21
    Ni-juu-ni - 22
    Ni-juu-san - 23
    Ni-juu-shi - 24
    San-juu - 30
    Yon-juu - 40 (I know it doesn't match the pattern, but this is the proper word)
    Go-juu - 50
    Roku-juu - 60
    Shichi-juu/Nana-juu - 70
    Hachi-juu - 80
    Kyu-juu - 90
    Hyaku - 100
    Sen - 1000



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    Yobi - Days of the Week

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    Getsuyobi - Monday
    Kayobi - Tuesday
    Suiyobi - Wednesday
    Mokuyobi - Thursday
    Kinyobi - Friday
    Doyobi - Saturday
    Nichiyobi - Sunday



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    Tsuki Toshi - Months of the Year

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    Ichi-gatsu - January
    Ni-gatsu - February
    San-gatsu - March
    Shi-gatsu - April
    Go-gatsu - May
    Roku-gatsu - June
    Shichi-gatsu - July
    Hachi-gatsu - August
    Ku-gatsu - September
    Juu-gatsu - October
    Juu-ichi-gatsu - November
    Juu-ni-gatsu - December
    Kyo wa nannichi desuka? - What is the date today?
    Asu wa nannichi desuka? - What is the date tomorrow?
    Kino wa nannichi deshitaka? - What was the date yesterday?
    -chan: Usually used for younger female children (especially girls), but also used to indicate affection or endearment. The Inner Senshi will call each other "Usagi-chan" and "Rei-chan". The Outer Senshi are older and more mature than the Inner Senshi so the Outer Senshi will use -chan when addressing the Inner Senshi. Also, Usagi and Chibiusa will call Mamoru "Mamo-chan" out of endearment.
    -ko: for females only
    -kun: Used for male friends who are younger or the same age as speaker. The Inner Senshi will call the Starlights "Seiya-kun" or "Yaten-kun".
    -sama: Used for formal respect when one refers to royalty. Diana addresses Mamoru and Usagi with -sama because she knows they are the future King and Queen of Crystal Tokyo.
    -san: Used as a term of respect when referring to people who are older than the speaker. The Inner Senshi call Haruka and Michiru "Haruka-san" and "Michiru-san".
    Yes = Hai
    No = Iie
    Thank you = Arigato
    Thank you very much = Arigato gozaimasu
    You're welcome = Douitashimashite
    Please = Douzo
    Excuse me = sumimasen, shitsurei shimasu
    Hello = Kon-nichiwa
    Goodbye = Sayounara
    So long = jaamataashita
    Good morning = O hayou gozaimasu
    Good afternoon = Kon-nichiwa
    Good evening = Konbanwa
    Good night = Oyasuminasai


    I do not understand = Wakarimasen
    How do you say this in [English]? = Kore wa [nihongo] de nan to iimasuka?
    Do you speak ... = Anata wa ...go wo hanasemasuka
    English = Eigo
    French = Furansugo
    German = Doitsugo
    Spanish = Supeingo
    Chinese = Chuugokugo


    I = watashi, watakushi
    We = watashi tachi, wareware
    You (singular, familiar) = kimi
    You (singular, formal) = anata
    You (plural) = anatagata
    They = karera
    What is your name? = Anata no namae wa nan to iimasu ka?
    Nice to meet you. = O-ai dekite ureshii desu.
    How are you? = O-genki desu ka
    Good = Ii, Yoi
    Bad = Warui, Yokunai
    So so = Souda neh, Maamaa desu, Bochi-bochi desu


    Wife = Kanai, Tsuma
    Husband = Shujin, Otto
    Daughter = Musume
    Son = Musuko
    Mother = Haha, Okaasan
    Father = Chichi, Otousan
    Friend = Tomodachi


    Where is the bathroom? Where is the toilet? = Toire wa doko desu ka?

    Numbers = Suuji

    zero = zero
    one = ichi
    two = ni
    three = san
    four = yon
    five = go
    six = roku
    seven = nana
    eight = hachi
    nine = kyuu
    ten = juu


    eleven = juu ichi
    twelve = juu ni
    thirteen = juu san
    fourteen = juu yon
    fifteen = juu go
    sixteen = juu roku
    seventeen = juu nana
    eighteen = juu hachi
    nineteen = juu kyu
    twenty = ni juu
    twenty one = ni juu ichi


    thirty = san juu
    forty = yon juu
    fifty = go juu
    sixty = roku juu
    seventy = nana juu
    eighty = hachi juu
    ninety = kyuu juu
    one hundred = hyaku
    one thousand = sen
    one million = hyaku man


    Time and Dates = Nichiji

    What time is it? = Nanji desuka.
    7:13, Seven thirteen = 7:13, Shichi ji juu san pun desu.
    3:15, Three fifteen = 3:15, San ji juu go fun desu.
    3:15, A quarter past three = 3:15, San ji juu go fun sugi desu.
    11:30, Eleven thirty = 11:30, Juu ichi ji sanju pun desu.
    11:30, Half past eleven = 11:30, juu ichi ji han desu.
    1:45, One forty-five = 1:45, Ichi ji yonjuu go fun desu.
    1:45, A quarter till two = 1:45, Ni ji juu go fun mae desu.


    Day = Hi, Nichi
    Week = Shuu
    Month = Tsuki
    Year = Nen, Toshi


    Monday = Getzuyou bi
    Tuesday = Kayou bi
    Wednesday = Suiyou bi
    Thursday = Mokuyou bi
    Friday = Kin'you bi
    Saturday = Doyou bi
    Sunday = Nichiyou bi


    January = Ichi gatsu
    February = Ni gatsu
    March = San gatsu
    April = Shi gatsu
    May = Go gatsu
    June = Roku gatsu
    July = Shichi gatsu
    August = Hachi gatsu
    September = Ku gatsu
    October = Juu gatsu
    November = Juu ichi gatsu
    December = Juu ni gatsu


    Spring = Haru
    Summer = Natsu
    Fall, Autumn = Aki
    Winter = Fuyu


    Today = Kyou
    Yesterday = Kinou
    Tomorrow = Asu


    Birthday = Tanjoubi
    Happy Birthday! = Tanjoubi omedetou!
    Phonetics
    Each individual symbol stands for a sound, not a solitary letter. Unlike English, the Japanese alphabet remains constant in it's sound:

    A - 'ah' (Mall)
    E - 'eh' (Red)
    I - 'ee' (Sing)
    O - 'oh' (Snow)
    U - 'uu' (Blue)

    Different sounds can be paired together with various vowels to form a new sound as they blend. Some common ones:

    AI - (Eye)
    AO - (Cow)
    EI - (Say)
    OI - (Foil)

    From there you should be able to figure out which pairs make which sounds be experimenting.

    Another common question is how to translate a word that does not end in a vowel sound, since all of the symbols do. More often than not, ending a word with the symbol that includes 'u' or 'o' will do the trick, since those sounds are generally silent at the end of a word (unless accentuated).
    Example: The Japanese word 'desu' is generally just pronounced as 'des'; the 'u' at the end is silent.

    Substitutions
    The Japanese phonetics do not include all of the sounds that the English language does. Often, a different (similar) sound will be used to substitute:
    Soft G - 'j' sounds
    L - 'r' sounds
    Q - 'ku'
    V - 'b' sounds
    X - 'kusu'
    W - 'u'
     
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  5. Jet_Black

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    more to it

    Japanese Vocabulary

    Regular words

    -san = it's what you attach to the end of someone's name(if you're being respectful, and the Japanese seem to default to respectfulness.) The english equivilent would be Mr or Mrs/Miss/Ms. The Japanese use this one(or...on rather rare occasions; 'sama') unless they are good friends/trying to be friends with the person.

    -chan = another attached to a name. -chan is affectionate, used..usually for children or girls(anime guys tend to get pissed if anyone calls them this.). I think it implies small and cute. Also implies a close relationship/friendship or a high level of familarity.

    -kun = Supposedly this is used for male friends(girls and boys both say it.)..but I've heard a girl be called it by boys in anime(AKA Haunted Junction). I think '-kun ' it has an air of 'partner' or 'equal' to it rather then an affectionate 'small' and 'cute'

    -sama = An honorific, kinda like "Lord" and "Lady"..or just "O exalted one." a character who referrs to themselves as "-sama" is indulging in a MAJOR ego trip ^_^.

    Random comment, in even minorly formal situations..the various anime characters seem to always referr to themselves by their name rather then "I", it's just yet another cultural thing ^^;.

    ...getting back to the list, gomen ^^;

    Atashi = the feminine version of 'I'(Watashi, see below).

    Ai = Love

    Aitsu = that person(derogatory)

    Aishite/Aishiteru = Love you

    Akihabara = The electronics district in Tokyo

    Anata = You, or in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship it means "Honey" or "Darling"...this must get rather confusing ^^;

    Anou = ..errr, umm..,

    Arigatou = Thank you

    Arigatou Gozaimasu = Thank you very much

    Doumo Arigatou Gozaimasu = Thank you very very very much!

    Baka = Idiot(Ie "RANMA NO BAKA!!")

    Bakemono = Ghost/Monster

    Bakamono = stupid guy

    Bishoujo = Pretty Girl

    Bishounen = literally means "Pretty Boy" but it's mostly used as a term for a really cute guy in Otakudom ^_^

    Biseinen = Like a bishonen except older(Zechs for example *.*)

    Boku = I (masculine version, girls use it to though.)

    Chibi = It's supposed to be a deragatory name for a short person..but in Anime contex it's when the characters get really short and kawaii. Random note, characters seem to chibify when they are experiencing a..childlike emotion(nothing is cuter then a thwarted chibi ^_^)

    Chotto matte!!: Wait for me!!


    Chou = Veryvery...like "Chou kawaii!" means "VERYVERY CUTE!"

    Dame = bad/useless/hopeless

    Demo = but..

    Daisuki = Like alot(is almost Aishiteru)

    Ecchi = Pervert/nudity

    Gakkou = School

    Genki = Energetic/Energy

    Gomen = Sorry

    Gomen Nasai = Very very sorry.

    Hai = yes

    Hen desu = Strange

    Hentai = Pervert/Perverted(more extreme then ecchi)

    Himitsu = Secret

    Ichiban = Best

    ichigo = strawberry ^^;

    Ijiwaru = Teaser(in reference to a person)

    Inori = Prayer

    Imoutosan/chan = Younger sister

    Itsudemo = whenever,any time,always

    Itai = That hurt!/Ow..

    Ja mata: = See you later

    Kawaii = Cute!

    Kawaii desu yo!!! = CUUUTTE!

    Kimi: A "speaking to an equal" type of "you"

    Kimochi = feeling, sensation, mood.

    Kisama = Bastard(or "You Bastard"..it's used in place of you words like Anata or Omae)

    Konbanha = Good Evening

    Konnichiha = Good Afternoon / Hello

    Kowai = Scary/scared

    Koi = Love

    Koibito = Lover, boyfriend/girlfriend.

    Kudasai = please(usually at the end of a sentence.)

    Kuso! = ****!

    Mahou = Magic/Witchcraft

    Minna = Everyone

    Minna-san = Everyone

    Niji = Rainbow

    Ninmu Ryoukai = Mission acknowledged

    Ninmu kanryou = Mission accomplished

    Namagomi: An insult meaning "Raw garbage"


    Nani? = What?

    Negai = Wish

    Neko = cat

    No da = doesn't really have a meaning, though it seems to add importence to a statment(not in Chichiri's case though..^^. It's usually used by characters who have Chinese influence.

    No ja = same as above except used frequently by the elderly

    Ohayou = Hello

    Ohayou Gozaimasu = Good Morning

    Oha! = 'Morning!

    Okashii = strange, funny, amusing

    Omae = You(speaking down)

    Omoide = memories

    Omoshiroi = Interesting/strange/funny

    Onna = Woman(or in Wufei's case, WOMAN!!)

    Oneesan/chan/sama = Older Sister

    Oniisan/chan/sama = Older Brother

    Onegai? = Please?

    Ore: "I" it's harsher then 'boku' and is used almost exclusively by guys.

    Otoko = Man

    Otome = Maiden

    Otoutosan/chan = Younger Brother

    Oyasumi = good night

    Sakura = Cherry Blossom

    Sayonara = Goodbye(permenantly ^^

    Sore wa himitsu desu: That is a secret(really!)

    Shimatta! = Damn!
     
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  6. Jet_Black

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    and a pic of phonetics

    just a pic of the phonetics
     

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  7. Ryu-Ki

    Ryu-Ki New Member

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    I think I'm getting the hang of it, so question??

    If I wnated to say Demon Fox Yuki would it be Oni Kitsune no Yuki

    Since Oni means Demon, Devil, or Ogre and Kitsune means Fox.
     
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  8. Jet_Black

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    very good your getting the hang of it:D
     
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  9. Kirei na kimyou

    Kirei na kimyou New Member

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    I can't find the exact meaning of "yaku" here...what's it mean? And dotchi...this word, I don't find at all. Some sort of changed verb?
    EDIT: After som investigation...I found this. Yaru...shouldn't it be left out? I found no predictable translation for it. Besides, "tori itte iru" would basically mean "speaks (is speaking) of a journey". And...to our hero in the meaning...furui seems to be an adjective for old; but not for persons. What is a good alternate word for it? And it's more supposed to be legendary.

    Makes sense. Mieru means "to be seen; to be in sight; to look; to seem; to appear;"
    Still, what does the -tatte prefix do?

    Thanks for that.
    Thinking of this...itte and hanashite...they both seem to mean "say" in command form...although itte also means to go. What's the diffrence between these two, and when are each used?
    Also now, I wished to ask of what is the diffrence between adjective and noun? From I can tell, noun is like a subject; something that describes something. Adjectives can be used to modify words in sentences whilas nouns cannot. There's also the na adjective...which strangely my teacher calls "nouns."
    Where are usually adverbs placed?

    Here's some I wrote in japanese...there's prolly lots of errors in it. Would you kindly correct them? :sweat2:
    Kaze wa abanchuuru itte iru ga futui hiiroo ni noridashita to naka kare wa aku o horoboshita to wagakuni o tasuketa.
    Tadashi, aku o koroshita ga hiiroo mo shinda da.
    Demo, dei wa itte ga hiiroo no sei wa bekko na bodii de boon futatabi.
     
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  10. Zelgadis

    Zelgadis New Member

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    would be a good idea to stick with basics, master that than move forward.
     
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  11. Kirei na kimyou

    Kirei na kimyou New Member

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    Abanchuruu = adventure
    futui = old

    Wouldn't this leave me to re-use the same word which is pretty obvious in the sentence? Or might I use the "wo" particle?

    And. As, "and in (naka)"

    It's and. So, would it look better if I wrote it:
    Kare wa aku o horoboshita. Soshite wahakuni o tasuketa?

    IF you say so.

    Demo = but
    Dei = day
    itte = spoken
    hiiroo = hero
    sei = spirit
    bekko = another; diffrent
    bodii = body
    boon = born
    futatabi = again
    So, yes, the sentence should read "But, it is said that the hero's spirit shall be reborn in a diffrent body."

    ^_^
    I know most basics.
     
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  12. Ryu-Ki

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    Is what I'm saying in my new signature said right or do I need to change it.
     
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  13. Okita

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    Well...this may seem like a silly question, but I've been wondering this for a while – how is saké (and for that matter pokémon) pronounced? Saké is pronounced as if it were saki, but I've occasionally heard it pronounced sake (although I've never heard it at all from one who knows Japanese). Are these just misspellings of romaji, or...?
     
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  14. UrashimaKeitaro

    UrashimaKeitaro Sesquipedalian Mod

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    Sake is pronounced sah-kay... with the japanese e sound, saki is something else entirely.. or many other things. There are lots of styles of romanization, not all of them agree... for instance, one style calls for the 'chi' sound to be reprented by 'ti' and 'tsu' to be represented by 'tu'.
    Easy thing to remember here is that romanization is just a *representation* of the pronunciation and isn't the best guideline for the real pronunciation.

    -UK
     
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  15. Ryu-Ki

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    Please disregrade my last post ^ .
     
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  16. Kirei na kimyou

    Kirei na kimyou New Member

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    Ahhh I'm back, trying ot translate some stuff. I couldn't get some right, though...pointers? ideas? My notes are below:

    Kaze = wind
    ukete = ukeru = to experience
    kami = hair
    yureru = to shake; to sway
    mami = decieving spirit
    kamo = wild duck; easy mark; sucker;
    mabushii = dazzling; radiant;

    Kaze ukete, kami yureru, mamimo kamo ga mabushii
    Experiencing the wind, my hair sways, (decieving spirit dazzling/adiant?)

    de = in
    au = meeting
    toki = moment
    itsu = when (be lost; peace; hide; mistake; beautiful; in turn)
    demo = but/however

    De au toki wa itsu demo happy birthday
    The moment I meet (I'm lost but it's a happy birthday?)

    shinpin = brand
    watashi = I
    te = hands
    furu = wave
    Shinpin no watashi ga te o furu
    With my brand new me, I wave my hands

    Tenshi = angel
    hohoende = smile
    Tenshi ga hohoende ru happy birthday
    (An) angel smile (smiling?), it's a happy birthday (my birthday?).

    Ima = now
    sugu = immediately; soon; easily; right (near); honest; upright;
    aitai = confrontation; facing; between ourselves; no third party; tete-a-tete;
    kimama = willfulness; selfishness; one's own way;
    anata = you
    Ima sugu aitai no kimama na anata ni?
    I want to confront you now, selfishness (who's selfish?)

    kirai = (star?)
    hikaru = to shine; to glitter; to be bright;
    nagare = stream; current;
    Kirari to hikaru nagare-boshi
    (A star?) glitters (more?)

    migae = ?
    sora = sky
    mitsukete = approach (to a castle gate) [to something else too?]
    Migae ta sora ni mitsukete mo
    ... appraching the sky (too?)

    Negai = desire; wish; request; prayer; petition; application;
    kanae = three-legged kettle
    kirenakatta = was pretty
    Negai kanae kirenakatta
    I wish the three-legged kettle was pretty
     
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