Cowboy Bebop Spike and Vicious in combat

Ok this is about whether or not spike and viciocus are equals in combat.....it has nothing to do with how cute they are or how cool they are or anything else,just in combat.I say they are equals.Lets hear what you got to say.

 

Given Cowboy Bebop, I'd say its pretty hard to say. They only had three fights! (only two really, but three if you classify Lin as one of Vicious' henchmen)

.. Also it's imperative to remember that Vicious fights with a sword.. a MONUMENTAL disadvantage compared to a gun (at any range, short or long)

For Spike, he had to go through henchmen before he got to Vicious (not necessarily Vicious' fault, since he is an important Syndicate member who had other enemies to worry about, not just Spike).

Either way... here's my opinion

1.) Episode 5: Spike had been shot once in the belly before he got to Vicious. Vicious threw him out of the window, Spike threw a grenade at Vicious' feet. I don't think the grenade did any damage to Vicious since he left on his own without any help, back to red dragon (thinking he had killed Spike). Spike would've died right here if it wasn't for Faye and Jet.. they saved his life.

Winner: Vicious

2.) Episode 13: Lin shoots Spike with a tranquilizer.. Vicious couldve killed Spike right here, but chose to spare him. But, Spike didn't really want to hurt Shin, so he didn't fire.

Winner: Vicious (classifying Shin as one of his henchmen)

3.) Episode 26: Spike had been shot once in the upper arm before he got to Vicious. It wasn't very severe, since we saw him jumping around after that. Spike tried to kill Vicious with explosives (blew up the top floor), and also tried to shoot Vicious from far away (out of range of the sword).. but neither worked.
Vicious was shot through the heart eventually, and Spike had his entire abdomen sliced by the sword.. both fatal wounds. Vicious died an instantaneous death.. Spike died a few seconds later.. (since the sword kills slower than a gun).

Winner: Draw (both inflict fatal wounds on each other)

My decision: I'm undecided... both have their advantages and disadvantages... But I'll guess they were probably about equal.

 

True,but both have always inflicted the same amount of damage to each other in each battle(i dont really see spike getting shot by tranq a battle).And Vicious using a sword is equalized by the hechmen he uses.SO i still say equal.

 

From what I can remember and recall and all that, I would kind of have to side with Spike on this one. True that Spike has the advantage of a gun over a sword, but also if I recall, Spike is just as capable of fighting without a weapon (and this is clearly shown in the first episode). Of course I don't think we get a decent demonstration of Vicious without a weapon. But I think if you were to put Vicious and Spike, one on one, no henchmen, no weapons, Spike could probably take him out. Though, all in all, if you keep all factors like weapons and henchmen, they'd be equal, though overall I'm in Spike's favor (as it takes a wimp to use henchmen ). Was probably done on purpose that they're so close in combat and such (because it's so much better to see a hero and villain who are on the same scale as opposed to a super-powerful villain or super-powerful hero). But I'm a bit new to Cowboy Bebop, technically, haven't seen the whole series, hehe, though did see Ballad of Fallen Angels and both parts of Real Folk Blues, so.. judging from that (and my reference to Spike's fight in the first episode).

 

Oh? I'm just curious as to why you think so. I didn't see any evidence for this in the series at all.

As for henchmen, its not necessarily Vicious' fault.. he is a high ranking member of the Red Dragons.. he has other enemies to worry about.. not just Spike.

 

I think I may have struck a vein with a Vicious fan, heh. Anyways... not so much evidence, but lack thereof. Of what I've seen, Spike's ability and skill without weapons has been shown, though I don't believe that it was shown at all with Vicious, but I could be wrong. And I would think Vicious would put Spike has top priority as a dangerous enemy if he's survived this much already, heh, and his henchmen failed him before. A real villain would take on such a person by himself instead of letting his lackeys do it then when seeing that, under no circumstances, can they kill Spike, do it himself. Either that or maybe he knows he can't beat Spike in his top condition, so he has his henchmen eat away at him, which just shows he's weaker than Spike. Just my guess, hehe.

 

Well i think spike and vicious received the same training.I remeber in certain flash backs spike and vicious fighting side by side each using pistols.

 

Whoa, wait.. now I'm seriously confused

You admit that you never saw Vicious fighting hand to hand in the series.... and yet you think that Spike is better than him in hand to hand combat? I can't understand your reasoning process at all.

 

I think what zack is trying to say is that they just dont give enough info on vicous to judge his hand to hand combat skills.Where we have seen spike fight hand to hand many times.Its just opinion and nothing more.

 

From the Very first moment that We meet vicious we find out that both Spike and Vicious are equals.. One cannot beat the other. Thus in the very last ep they both come to their ends at each others hands.

So thats that,.

KaMe

 

at close range a sword is way more efective than a gun so i think that spike going up there and fighting close range was a mistake cause he could have taken him out from afar

 

Sorry to disagree.. the gun is better at ANY range.. easier to use, more deadly, compact, faster to use.

Spike DID try to take him away from afar.. he blew up the entire room from the outside, but that didn't work.. Then he tried to shoot Vicious from the bottom of the stairs, but Vicious ducked and forced Spike to come to higher ground up the stairs so that he would have a shot...

In the final battle.. Vicious had to make sure that the gun in Spike's hand didn't point at his body for even one instant!! (if it wouldve, the he wouldve gotten shot). And he had only a sword to make sure that gun didn't point at him. (also, in all fairness, Spike had to block the sword with his own gun.. but having the gun was a huge advantage, even at close range)