Recreation Suicide and masochism

I was wonderin I know a lot of people have commited suicide and i think it's
selfish and wrong for them to take there own life without thinking abou the
people around them...give me your opinoin?

 

Because they're stupid and brainless. They don't ever consider the consequences of the living.

Unless they have someting in their life that really hurts, like no arms or legs (what!?) and they just can't take the pain anymore. That's just a reason. But really, suicide is not the answer to anything, but a path to more pain.

-Seishin

 

Pain can really make you do things like that. I'm not saying it's right, but I've met people whose lives are miserable and emotionally painful. And when i say painful I mean "tearing their mind apart in a such horrible way that they'd need therapists for life".

They just can't take it anymore. Sadly, many of their problems could have been solved if the people around them were at least a bit more kind.

 

Lives tore apart by the parents or raped or beat when they was children what they have to deal with everyday how they are treated how they think and there selfwill.

these are but a few but major things that make an indivdule want to commit suicid they think they are weak and think death will relieve them of the pain that they are in when it will not but just send them to somewhere more painful more worse than anything they thought of.

 

To me suicide and masochism are not the answer to your problems, they're only a way to escape them. I don't find either stupid, because the person who results to them must have too much pain to deal with, and cant find a way out of all their problems.

 

suicide is never the answer whatever the case may be they have a choice and they must fight the temptation of death...Happyness and sorrow are of one string one without the other life as we know it would lose all meaning no sorrow then how can we know what happyness be if only happyness was to happen how would we know if we were in pain. Suicide brings more pain and suffering then what the indivdule thinks of.

 

Yes. But will a suicidal person believe it? I realize that this is a very important point to consider - he/she are so traumatized that they escape in their minds to an idea (in this case, suicide) and anything that might "rip them apart" from it, could cause them a lot of pain. So it's an extreme and dangerous form of dissociation (From a rather cold and analytical point of view, it is an "interesting" issue).

However, it's still scary. So what can we do to convice them to desist from this idea? I think that we should help them understand that life wasn't meant to be painful, and that they can find happiness in here.

But it is a very delicate process, we really don't know how many phobias they have, or if we might trigger another dangerous thought - I guess this is why psychologists are for.

 

I feel it's prudent to post the latest post in my best friends lj:

It was posted today. Today is the anniversary of the death of one of her old best friends. Clearly it causes much pain, but can't it also cure some people's issues? Take for example Bruce Boulter; beaten by his parents, hated by all. Wouldn't killing himself relieve himself of his pain, and his parents of his burden? No one would really be upset. Everyone would win.

However, in the case of Elliott Smith, who was leading a good life, had a successful career, and a loving girlfriend. Perhaps suicide wasn't the most viable option.

Really though, I don't think it's up to the people around someone to decide whether they commit suicide. It's an individual decision.

 

Don't feel bad what inspired me to write this thread was that my friend April
killed herself 3 weeks ago after oding on Heriun.These things stay with us that maybe we could have done something to help that person but, the truth
is all we can do is try to help anyone that thinks the world is awful to see the
good sides of it. No one has a life worse than everbody's.There's someone
with a life living a whole lot more unbearible than yours
trying to just get by and not dying...i know a lot of people who died from
cancer who wanted to see the next day but, never did. It's your choice make
it,but never say that nobody else should have a reason to.

 

You say that it is an individual decision. And also that is not up to the people around you. Yet its not like you "individually" appeared and started living life. In cases like this I tend to think opposite at times.

One, people tend to care about you and they are always willing to help out through your problems. There is always that one person and that is more than enough. Commiting suicide is sort of like quitting an obstacle just escaping it and avoiding it not knowing what was the path ahead.

Thought two, people have thier own lives and thier own decisions. Is it really necceassary to actually become attached to other people? Can it be avoided?

Thought three, This is all based on what people think is "right and wrong" "good and evil" And due to this perceptions thier tends to be conflict on the views of such actions.

Done thinking....

Im answer if I wasnt able to give a straight forward answer. But I assure you Iam thinking about this.

 

One: I suppose in most cases their is someone who cares, but there's always the small amount where no one really does.

Two: I think you could avoid becoming attached to others, although extremely difficult.

Three: In ancient Rome, suicide was a vialbe option to maintain honoe. Sort of a death before dishoner type of thing. Many civiliazations had this veiw. I don't know if any still do.

 

Not to mention when samurai would kill themselves using seppuku.

I cant really say much about this suicide thing because I havent experienced much or nothing at all about it. So the things I say is as pointless as a blind man pointing directions I think.....

 

Sometimes the easiest things are the hardest to come about...

 

Suicide is not stupid but a coward 'solution'. In fact, it is very effective. It is not selfish since everybody is going to die some day, ne? Except when you have people that you're in charge of, that's a lot of irresponsability.

 

Sucide is the cowards escape. It's an extremely selfish way to escape your problems, and will absolutely shatter the community that you leave behind

 

Wow, just don't say that to a person who is suicidal.

My social work professor warned me that I will have to deal with suicidal people later on.. and that when they come to a person saying that they are suicidal they are actually ambivalent. Meaning that they are trapped in between making a decision whether or not to kill him or herself. There is still part of them that wants to remain alive - and what you have to do is make sure that they choose not to commit suicide, one way to do this is to tell them that their problems can be solved but they have to hold on.

Make sure that you don't take things into your own hands either, you might actually make things worse for that person and feel extremely guilty if they do commit suicide. Referring them to a suicide hotline might be best..

Here's a pretty good site with some answers on what to do: http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/whattodo.htm

 

sadly, i kinda agree with you on that. Some peoples lives are just a pain to live. But i still disapprove of suicide, i can understand it, but it just creeps me out.