Movies The Ring (another meaning)

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  1. Holly Jolly

    Holly Jolly New Member

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    *spoilers*




    The following is a detailed look into what The Ring really means. Is there another meaning? There is no solid answer, which is exactly what is wonderful about this film. It gives you solid questions, and ties them together, but leaves you to try and weave together disturbing meanings to not avail. And by doing so, you put your mind in a unstoppable mind searching process, that ends up evoking horrendous emotional patterns of dread while sleeping. But is there an underlined, undefined answer to it all, or is merely a well-written, visual tease? Is there another reason why she lived? The following suggests there is:

    In the world, the “ring” is most commonly known to symbolize a relationship, a bond that cannot be broken. With the title inducing this basic language, it is possible to suggest that the entire display of imagery is a desperate call to this basic principle of love. By the end of the film, four humans die, two of which where killed by the supernatural, while the others thread in the reality of life’s sorrows. But all of these individuals describe an altered look at relationships, bonded in and out of the ring. Children thrive in imagination, which then roots to basic imagery. The odd images created by the girl, and boy shows not only their parents’ conflicting relationships, but also the fact that they are very nearly one in the same in independence. It is only natural that the two be connected by both physical, and mental conversations derived from the same life lived. Disease, is this tape a disease, or is it merely a vehicle, that taps into the real meaning of disease? What disease plagues the world into fear today, and yet people continue to live by? Sex. Used for its lust, rather then its love. Did the teenage girl want a child to become the end result of her actions at the inn? Did the couple on the island really try to have a child over all those years, or did they want anything but? Why did the father of a dear little boy leave his girlfriend to raise him alone? And like the question asked by the Mother. Why would any women, who wanted a child so badly, kill it? Both children in this movie are not wanted to a degree, both rooting from their father. Why does the ring force you to destroy images, like the “sexy” models found in the teenager’s binder? And why does the ring smear the importance of your own visual appeal? There are to many connections, to not notice that empty love opens the door to death. And by film’s end, the dominating sub-theme that carries the movie to an actual importance is left unanswered, while the tape is answered by the unproven fact that one must copy the tape to live. Do you really have to copy the tape? Is it a combination of both? Or does this second idea true, that a ghost that sees in black and white…really haunts to invade or defend justice?

    I suppose it is something to think about.
     
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  2. Mordeth

    Mordeth Mordeth Vult!

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    you're talking about that bad bad horrible terrible SHITE piece of american cinema right?

    ring is the original japanese film, and it is bleedin terrifying.

    The ring is an american insult to the art of film making.
     
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  3. k0gepan

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    Well, I really liked the american version. I've not seen the the original Japanese one, soooo....I'll stick to my american movies gosh darnit (imagine the Japanese one was better though ...hehe). Well, that's definetely an interesting view on the movie. It's true too. It also makes my mind turn to mush. Or goulash, whichever you prefer. But, really I think the ghost that pops out of the TV was just a malicious killing machine. Because, I thought that she was actually the victim in the story until they went home and then BOOM. Look at the little ghoulie comin back to turn you into a shrivelled corpse. Damn her. Anyway, my view is that : She was actually torturing both the parents because she was such a freak, and so they put her in the barn, and when she died, you know.....passed the curse on. Because she's a malicious ghost h0 child.

    THE END.
     
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  4. Holly Jolly

    Holly Jolly New Member

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    Japanese filmmaking is usually well thought out, however they tend to be slow, and do not engage actual characters as much as they do engage actual principles. That's great, but I think niether should be sacraficed. A Japanese like film is something like A.I as far as I'm concerned. To say the American version is inferior is your opinion, and perhaps it is a truer opinion them my own, but I believe it rides on the lines of prefering written literature to visual displays. I prefer visual, it is everything poured into one, ultimate project.
     
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  5. DrunkLeprachaun

    DrunkLeprachaun Tetsu Oushi

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    Ring vs. The Ring *****CONTAINS SPOILERS*****

    I've seen every version ring out there, have all the japanese ones on video or DVD. The japanese version is better. I feel confident that that is the case. I was planning on making a thread about this anyway, you just beat me to the punch. The Ring, the american version is very well directed, and quite chilling. It does have very good visuals, but very very very little else.
    It's flaws: The Ring. There is no ring. The ring is the "chain", the way you have to copy the video and give it to somone else. There is no actual ring. This is true for the american version, they try to have the image from the bottom of the well be a ring. It works to a certain extent, but having seen Ring, I just can't stand it. I believe it was invented so they could use "Before you die you see the Ring." That godawful line.
    The Plot. It's plain awful. They took out all the stuff that was cool in the japanese version and replaced it with nonsense, largely about horses. In Ring, most of the characters are psycic, and this makes the plot a hell of a lot more logical and believable.
    Other flaws are that the video was too long with too much irrelevant nonsense, Samara is a ****ing stupid name(as opposed to Sadako), the scene where she fell into the well was just dumb, she got hit in the face by a TV(what the **** were the writers smoking when they came up with that), and many other faults. Also, Ryujii is a hell of a lot cooler than Noah, and the kid in Ring is a hell of a lot less strange looking, and a much better actor than the kid in The Ring. And the american acting is just plain shite, as is the script. Particularily the lines "I think that before you die, you see the ring," I mean, where the **** did she come up with that? And "She never sleeps," I think a little too ambiguous,
    The Japanese version is slower, yes, but it is genuinely scary. It builds suspense the whole way through, you're never quite sure what's going to happen. It has a far better plot, script, better acting, better pretty much everything. It does have a much much much smaller budget(I wouldn't be suprised if it was well under 1% of The Ring's), but that just means it's pure film, with no fancy *** crap to detract from it, it really doesn't have a negative effect on the overall film.
    That's my oppinion, and I am certain that it's the right one to have.
     
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  6. Holly Jolly

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    Hmmm, well I COULD see the Japanese version, but I rather not because I heard it is more violent and the works. So I just asked a co-worker, and he said he prefered the american version. And yes, this is coming from a guy that knows the "underground" if you will. The Ring was flawless visuals, with flawed plots...thus horror, not drama.
     
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  7. DrunkLeprachaun

    DrunkLeprachaun Tetsu Oushi

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    There is no way in hell the japanese one could be called more violent. It has pretty much no violence at all, far far far less than it's american counterpart. It is more chilling though. It's true that it's not as horror as The ring, but Ring is still very frightening. It's got great visuals, just more japanese than The Ring. It IS a better film.
     
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  8. Holly Jolly

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    Hmmm, well maybe I'll look it up in a few weeks.
     
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  9. seraphinx

    seraphinx Oy, Artista!

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    Before I saw either version, I already gave my props to the original one. But I saw the American version first.

    I liked it a lot, in fact it's the only modern (within the past decade) horror movie that I liked at all, and the only modern horror that freaked me out. "The Others" was a nice movie too, with an incredible concept, but "The Ring" was just sheer horror material.

    Then I saw the Japanese versions (the entire trilogy of Ring movies), and now I like both. Yes the American version was good, but it was good because of the special effects, the big budget, and the fact that it had years to work on "improving" on the Japanese version. Of course the Amercan version would be "better" visually, but without the original version, there wouldn't be a movie at all. I think I'd give the most props to the actual author of the novel. I bet that was the best "version" of all.

    Yeah, Holly Jolly, I think there's a lot of deep stuff people could dig out of the meaning of the movies. I actually haven't even thought of this stuff before, you know, what is the meaning of the "ring"? I guess one way of thinking about it is that the "ring," means the cycle of having to pass on the video. As for the initial, obvious use of the ring to refer to the top, lit part of the well, I personally think that was the main intrigue to the previews. I mean, it really did strike me as pretty trippy when you finally find out where that image comes from. The spooky part came in watching the "video" once you know where the ring is from... cuz seeing it now feels like seeing it through the eyes of someone stuck inside the well. It's a cold, eerie feeling.

    Speaking of the cursed videotape, when I first saw it, I thought "wow." I love freaky black & white stuff like that! It reminds me of a black and white film we saw in photography class last year, where all these stop-motion animated puppets were doing gruesome things. By the way, I have a Quicktime version of the videotape. I've watched it over and over, both for visual delight as well as in thinking "What was she thinking as she made this video?" Imagine how freaked out I'd be if I never heard of the movie, but saw the video tape one day and was told that it was cursed...

    Samara, Sadako...to me both names sound nice. Did you know that the original novel, was based on real people? That's what my brother told me, and with a lil searching you can read about it here.

    Ever played Guilty Gear XX for PS2? One of the characters, Zappa, is possessed by a ghost in a white nightgown and long dark hair, and his instant kill attack involves a video of a spooky tree, a tv, and an eye. I dunno, but it looks to me like a reference to Sadako!
     
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  10. negative1

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    i liked lookin at all the creepy clips that were put on the tape:D they made me feel like makin my own creepy film. yes i'am an oddball and i have no friends!
     
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  11. seraphinx

    seraphinx Oy, Artista!

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    I take black & white photography classes, and I always get hyped when I see the cool stuff my classmates make. Some of the stuff is pretty nuts, others are just freaky like this girl's still-life of a bunch of eggs in a condom.

    I've watched The Ring on DVD twice, got to see the deleted scenes, etc. The first time I saw it on DVD, during the part where the woman just finished watching the cursed tape, and her phone rang, OUR phone (in our apartment) also rang at the exact same time. It was our friend calling us, but it was no joke, and she had no idea we were even watching the DVD. This freaked us out big time. Then in the part the boy just finished watching the tape, OUR phone rang again; this time we got freaked out even more. (it was our roommate's relative giving us a call, and she too had no idea what was going on). Seriously, there was no way those two people could have played a trick on us. Our heavy curtain was drawn over the windows so no one could see in; and there was a mini-festival going on outside our apartment with loud music, so no one outside could have heard what was going on in our living room.
     
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  12. chiquitabanana

    chiquitabanana finally legal

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    In Japanese it is called ringu~ or at least thts wat it said on the box... :sweat2:
     
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  13. Kamui

    Kamui X//1999... best anime eva

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    The ring was possibly the worst movie i have evr seen, (right up there next to Deep Blue Sea) omg, it sucked sooo bad, there was nothing good about it, I asked all my friends, they were like like terrified of it... I just wanted to punch them in the Face.
     
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