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I'm curious about this too. Can anyone send a working link or attachements?

Thanks
Dot

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From: Ben Ward
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Subject: [isaotomita] (unknown)


>>From this page:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00007JMHP/ref=pd_rhf%
5Fp%5F4/250-7496915-3979450 from amazon.jp it appears that only
tracks 7-12 are in 4.1 (and it seems a shame to not use the centre
speaker, if that's what's been left off.)

Has anyone bought this disc yet?


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Ben Ward wrote:
>
> >From this page:
> http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00007JMHP/ref=pd_rhf_p_4/250-7496915-3979450
>from amazon.jp it appears that only
> tracks 7-12 are in 4.1 (and it seems a shame to not use the centre
> speaker, if that's what's been left off.)
>

I would think 1-6 are in high definition audio

I was thinking about that (4.1), but there definitely is a good reason.

the 5th speaker is to reinforce the center perdominantly of dialog in a
movie. There is no center of dialog to image in music such as this so
it would would risk adding redundant weighting to an area of the
listening space that has no significance to the music (the TV monitor).
In other words for spatial effect you simply don't want extra center
reinforcement... though I guess one could argue that in a really
dedicated music surround configuration I guess the front speakers may be
brought forward and angled a la Wendy Carlos for a more pentagon
shape... I would presume with that sort of configuration, one not based
around a home theatre, that a fifth channel would be valuable.


> Hello Ben,
> I would, but I can't seem to find a place in the US to buy it. At least not
> when I checked last week.


I'm sure someone will. There is a bit of a time lag to get new CD
listings made up at the importers which then find their way potentially
to the wholesalers and then to the retailers to make their lists up
from.

But there is a bigger issue, there isn't a high profit margin on this
sort of thing, by the time all the middlemen and shippers take their cut
to import its expensive and only a couple people buy it, lots of effort
for spotty sales. All the hardcore collectors that might potentially
provide a steady stream of profits just pay Japaneese retail from
someone in Japan and of course the high shipping, they'll always come
out ahead because they buy a bunch of CDs reducing the shipping
hopefully.

Actually has anyone dealt with Amazon.co.jp? I don't think I have heard
from anyone who has.

nick

 

In a message dated 4/2/2003 11:55:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ndkent at optonline.net writes:

> Actually has anyone dealt with Amazon.co.jp? I don't think I have heard
> from anyone who has.

I have. I bought three Jungle Emperor books (one with a CD) last month.

Start by downloading Japanese language support for IE from microsoft.com.

Amazon has English pages for setting up an account, but their product pages
are in Japanese only. I use
http://www.tans.org/translater.shtml
to translate those pages.

Once you click the In English button on Amazon.co.jp, you can enter Tomita in
the search box and come up with a list of products. (One thing I haven't
tried: copy the Japanese characters for Tomita and paste it into the Amazon
search box to come up with listings. I don't know if the results would be
different.) Copy each link into the translater page, and then you can add the
items you want to your Amazon cart and check out in English.

Their progress report emails are in Japanese, but you can revisit the site to
check on your account in English.

 

I've bought the DVD and the NHK CD, but neither has shipped yet. Both were
released on 29 March, but Amazon JP lists delivery estimate as 2-7 April, so
I guess the items have not reached Amazon yet. I will certainly post full
details as soon as the discs arrive.

As for 4.1, kind of makes sense to me. I cant really see much use for the
centre channel on a music track, unless it's to enhance the level of a
particular instrument that is playing at the centre of the sound field.
Often, Tomita's sounds tend to jump round the sound field quite a bit
anyhow!

In a regular 5.1 movie soundtrack mix (even before dolby digital etc, when
70mm films had 6 magnetic tracks), the centre channel is typically used to
support the dialgue, and make sure its intelligble, and to give more
distinct focus to the centre of the soundstage where the screen action is
typically taking place. If the dialogue was mixed without using centre
channel, then people sitting in a cinema at the left or right of the screen
would perceive the dialogue as coming from the left or right speakers
respectively, because they are sitting closer to those speakers. Using the
centre channel for dialogue will make the dialogue track appear to come from
the centre of the screen for those poor folk off to the sides. The same
would hold true for the home cinema experience, depending on your speaker
placement, just not quite to the same extent.

Regards,
Lance
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http://www.mp3.com/lance


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> From: Ben Ward [mailto:baward at blueyonder.co.uk]
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>
> >From this page:
> http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00007JMHP/ref=pd_rhf%
> 5Fp%5F4/250-7496915-3979450 from amazon.jp it appears that only
> tracks 7-12 are in 4.1 (and it seems a shame to not use the centre
> speaker, if that's what's been left off.)
>
> Has anyone bought this disc yet?
>
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Lance Lenehan wrote:
>
> I've bought the DVD and the NHK CD, but neither has shipped yet. Both were
> released on 29 March, but Amazon JP lists delivery estimate as 2-7 April, so
> I guess the items have not reached Amazon yet. I will certainly post full
> details as soon as the discs arrive.

So I take it Lance didn't get the DVD-A of "Sennen no Koi - Hikaru Genji
Monogatari" or else he could probably have additional insight on
Tomita's surround mixing.

> Using the
> centre channel for dialogue will make the dialogue track appear to come from
> the centre of the screen for those poor folk off to the sides. The same
> would hold true for the home cinema experience, depending on your speaker
> placement, just not quite to the same extent.

My understanding is kind of like what you say in regards to home
theatre. You have front L & R speakers very separated so they just can't
provide a firm center, one may almost hear vague hole or just a "that
side of the room" instead of a preceived center image when you try to
form somthing only using left and right and the rear sure won't help in
this situation... on the other hand, like lead vocal type material
probably needs 5 channels.

Though I do keep thinking that if one has more of a pentagram (ooh
sounds evil either saying pentagon or pentagram) configuration, one
would use the center as an equal and not just for dialog reinforcement

nick

 

Nick Kent wrote:
> So I take it Lance didn't get the DVD-A of "Sennen no Koi -
> Hikaru Genji

More like Lance can't afford too many discs in one go...
That ones's still on the list.

> this situation... on the other hand, like lead vocal type material
> probably needs 5 channels.

Absoultey agree.

Regards,
Lance
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