Inu-Yasha Anti-Kagome League!

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  1. _meow_

    _meow_ New Member

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    My friend just thought of the idea [She's a Kagome-obsessor. I tell you, it's all she thinks about.], and since there isn't one, why not start one?

    It's not that I hate Kagome. It's just that... I don't know what it is but something about her... just bugs the heck out of me. Maybe because she's the main character and everything revolves around her, or maybe because her voice gives me a headache. I'm not quite sure. There's just something about her that annoys me. A lot.

    So this isn't really a club for people who hate Kagome, although you are welcome to post here, but rather to discuss why Sango or Miroku aren't the main characters. Sure Kagome is great, but maybe like half-way through the series, they should focus on like another character [Okay, maybe a little far-fetched, but what? It's an idea.] or possibly make her trapped in her current time for a week or something [Did they do that?].

    Blah. I don't know what else to say. [Can't wait for Kagome's Arrow's long 10 paragraph reason on why Kagome is her favorite character. Yay. I live for her anger.]
     
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  2. Spiggy

    Spiggy Freak of Nature

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    wow, you really know how to start a flame war, don't you!!

    to be honest, kagome is a kinda essential character. if miroku were the main character, poor inuyasha would change dramatically...
     
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  3. _meow_

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    When I said that, I mean like, Kagome would still be there... but I guess I worded it wrong. I meant that the story would be from someone else's point of view.
     
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  4. wing_goddess

    wing_goddess Power User

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    a club of Kagome haters eh? heh, Kagome's Arrow is going to come here ninja-like and kung fu some people's arses. You'd never see a club of this matter for Bankotsu:D Are you friends with Kagome's Arrow? is that your Kagome obessor you're talking about?

    Well, i'm not too crazy over Kagome, but i'm not going to join a "i hate Kagome" club:p Most lead females in animes tend to be hated a lot though. now Relena from Gundam Wing, i hated her! dumb broad.
     
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  5. Kagome's Arrow

    Kagome's Arrow Princess of Unicorns

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    *fists clench at sides* Just give me a second before I can formulate a decent response, I'm blinded by sheer fury at the moment. I'm seeing red... oh forget being civil *draws back purification arrow*. HAHA! Take that sucka!

    Right, now onto my ten paragraph response advocating Kagome.


    First of all I hate to inform you that you're the sole member of this "Anti-Kagome League" (unless some of the OmG()rrzz I HaTe InUyAsHa CuZ It Is StUpId It ShOuLd DiE LeT's KiLl It people stumble across this forum and support you, but they don't count because they're basically against anything associated with INuyasha). Even the few Inuyasha fans I've found who dislike Kagome usually have to admit that she's a good, well-rounded character, and the plot would diminish without her.

    Well I'll start off by arguing that Kagome's never had an official label slapped on her head reading "main character". While it's possible that the position DOES belong to her, it's also argueable that the label should go to Inuyasha (personally I think it should go to both, but I haven't seen you starting an "Anti Inuyasha League").

    Second of all I assume you're referring to her dubbed voice, since I know for a fact you haven't seen the subbed version of the show (other then those few clips I have stored on my computer), and even I have to admit that Kagome's dubbed voice is irritating. However, if you were to watch the subbed version of the show I speculate you may end up favoring Kagome more since she sounds much less like a mall rat and much more like a spunky, mature (ish) teenager.

    Third I must point out that all shows have main characters, and of course the show is going to revolve around them, since that's generally their intention to begin with! And while initially the show is told almost solely from Kagome's point of view, that changes throughout the series. There are quite a few episodes focusing on both Inuyasha and Sango, not to mention a few on both Miroku and Kikyo. There's even an episode devoted specifically to Sesshomaru, though I can't seem to remember where in the series this takes place.

    Fourth is that (while this wasn't mentioned in your post) I've had this debate with you numerous times, and each times one of your main reasons for disliking Kagome goes something along the lines of "but she hasn't had any tragedies in her life! She's too perfect!"

    If I've said this once I've said this a thousand times, Kagome is not a feudal Japanese girl. You can't expect her to have spent her life sufferring from these horrible tragedies, and I certainly don't see why it's *her* fault that her family hasn't perished. How can you dislike a person for having intact relationships with their family? Sure it's a perk not many of the Inuyasha cast get the luxury of, but it's certainly not a reason to dislike Kagome.

    Another reason I recall you pointing out is that "Kagome's too nice and sweet. Nobody actually acts like that in the real world, and it seems like she carries no faults whatsoever".

    For my response to this refer to the "Tragic Coincidence" thread where both Star Princess and I were discussing Kagome's faults, which I must admit she has a fair number of, but don't we all? She usually jumps to conclusions, her temper flares on a regular basis, and she can be rather high maintenence at times. I know that, but it doesn't keep me from feeling a connection to her positive attributes: her selflessness, kindness, accepting personality, etc.

    I seem to recollect your hatred for main characters, and so I speculate the outcome if Sango and Miroku were to be bestowed the honored position of main character". If the series had originally started with both Sango and Miroku as the main characters, you probably wouldn't appreciate them much either, so it's a rather lose-lose situation. And as I've stated before, there are quite a few episodes based on Sango and Miroku's relationship (which at one point becomes much more prominent then Inuyasha/Kagome's), and a number of episodes focusing in on either Sango or Miroku individually (see Enter Sango, Demon Exterminator, Naraku's Insiduous Plot, Sango's Suffering and Kohaku's Life, Tetsusaiga is Stolen! Showdown at Naraku's Castle, Kohaku's Lost Memory, That Unforgettable Face, Mystical Hand of the Amorous Monk Miroku, Miroku falls into a Dangerous Trap, Temptress in the Mist [and these are only episodes which have premiered on Adult Swim, there are literally dozens more episodes following])

    You can dislike Kagome if you choose, and I don't intend to stand in your way, but I see no reason to make a hate thread about her (particularly since I know you only created this in the first place to irritate me :D)

    Hope you've enjoyed it :p
     
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  6. Dilandau

    Dilandau Highly Disturbed

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    Ooh, this has the potential to become very, very inflammatory. I'll be watching it with great interest. XD

    I'm with Kagome's Arrow on this one. I'll admit, I almost always dislike the female lead character - that has a lot to do with my inability to identify with feminine or butch-femme personalities, and a lot to do with cheap, romancy plots that don't pay much attention to developing female characters and making them interesting. But I don't hate Kagome. She's FAR less irritating than many other characters, and while she's no favorite of mine - the entire series isn't even in my top 20 - I find that she presents the "teenage girl sucked into another world" archetype fairly well, and without being super-obnoxious.

    I don't see the point of anti-so-and-so threads, other than to upset the fans of those characters. If you had labelled this thread "What if someone besides Kagome had been the protagonist?" I might buy the idea that this is anything but a hate thread...

    Anyhow, would the series really have as much broad appeal if it were told primarily through the eyes of another character? I'l admit, the possibilities are interesting. But the fact is that Kagome is supposed to be fairly normal, have a typical teenager's life, and not have gone through any horrible trauma. If she didn't fit that mold, the entire feel of the story would change. It would require the viewer to see the events through a completely different perspective, that of someone whom they wouldn't be immediately able to relate to, in most cases. How many of us can say we live with demons and have never seen a flush toilet? ;P The whole point of Kagome being the main character is to involve the viewer in the story in a way that's easy for them to understand - Kagome's issues as pertaining to her dual life are supposed to be ones that we can relate to, that speak to the common teenage fantasy of "getting away from it all" and becoming central in some big, fancy story that involves hot guys and being cool.
     
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  7. NoDa

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    Well, as my nickname is at school Inuyasha, I got somthing to say!

    Kagome, is well, more of a perfectonist. Sometimes she gets a little to perfect... right?

    On the other hand, Kagome is a major part of the story and if She wasn't there, who would fill the role as the perkey girl-ish one, miroku?
     
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  8. Kagome's Arrow

    Kagome's Arrow Princess of Unicorns

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    'Course not Miroku, that guy's got absolutely no insight into the female mind. It would have to be Jakotsu. Duh. :anime:

    And while I'm not supporting the idea that the premise of Inuyasha is hot guys and being cool, I'm with Dilandau in that the show wouldn't have reached even half the popularity it's got now if the story were told from, say, Sango's point of view. I admit that it would be fairly *interesting* to compare/contrast that to the Inuyasha we've grown used to, but Kagome was created to give teenaged girls (who make the majority of Inuyasha fans) somebody to relate to, though I've noticed most of them skipping over Kagome and glomping Sesshomaru. Anything for the bishies....... =P
     
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  9. Ice_blue_eyes

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    Hahaha. Same here, my friends obsessed with Kagome too, don't know why but I just don't like Kagome one bit....Maybe it's cause of her annoying dubbed voice...or maybe it's because she keeps on getting in the way of Inuyasha's battles. I know she helps and all... but still!!!!!!!!!!! :anger2: :anger2: :anger2: :anger2:
     
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  10. Kagome's Arrow

    Kagome's Arrow Princess of Unicorns

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    I have only one comment for you regarding this (if you want more refer to my first post): If her dubbed voice is so irritating that you feel you can no longer stand it, watch the sub.

    To which I counter that Kagome's interference has saved Inuyasha's hide on numerous occasions (see Yura of the Demon Hair, Go Home to your Own Time, Kagome, Deadly Trap of the Wind Sorceress Kagura, Tetsusaiga Breaks, Sesshomaru Wields Tokijjin, and The Demon's True Nature for evidence).
     
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  11. Saiyan ChiChi

    Saiyan ChiChi New Member

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    I agree with Kagome's Arrow. Kagome's interfering usaully saves Inuyasha's life. If you dont like her voice then you have to take that up with the voice actor. :anime:
     
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  12. Spiggy

    Spiggy Freak of Nature

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    before i say anything, i'd just like to point out that i don't mind kagome!
    but i asked a couple o my friends (who have hated her with avengence for some time) and they said she was just way too stereotypical.
     
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  13. Star Princess

    Star Princess Haters are retarded.

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    I don't like Kagome that much, but I'm not anti-Kagome (I was a year ago, but I've changed a lot)... However I AM against her dub voice. :p When I do get an Inu-Yasha DVD, I'll watch it in subtitles.
     
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  14. Polaris

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    hmmm...I really have a problem with Myoga and Inuyasha but I don't start clubs against them. clubs should be for "OMG YAY I LOVE <so and so>", not "DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!". I'm evil and all but I don't spread my hate among others. I'm not a massive Kagome lover but I like her. besides, just because her voice is "annoying" doesn't mean you have to flame the character...it's not her fault she has an annoying voice.





















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  15. _meow_

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    1. If you had a friend like mine, who was as obsessed with Kagome as she is, you'd hate Kagome too. [It's not all about Kagome's voice. Although it irritates me a lot. But so does Sango's at times.]

    2. SWEET I HAVE A MEMBER! ICE_BLUE_EYES! ^^


    ......... -_____- Look at what I said at #1, and re-read "*draws back purification arrow*". Then, you know my life.


    I know we've argued about it a million times in Journalism [Thank god it's over JK..], and I know what you mean. I never said anything about her parents [boron], but okay. I never really quite remember saying that she's perfect...


    While I sometimes am shocked at your good memory, it fails you this time. I never said that she doesn't have any faults. I do, however remember saying that she's too nice and sweet and no one's really like that in the real world. If I said the faults thing, I might have gone a little too far. Anyway, in some ways, Kagome isn't really like anyone in the real world. Do you honestly think that someone would be-friend a small fox-like creature after it tries to kill you? HELL NO... or be-friend someone who's thought to eat humans [forgot his name]? HECK NO YOU RUN LIKE THE WIND AWAY FROM IT. I don't know what I'm saying anymore. Heh.


    Yes, I made this thread all for you. :anime: And yes, maybe if Sango was the main character, I might not appreciate her as much, but I sure as heck still wouldn't like Kagome. Then, my favorite character would have been Miroku or Inuyasha.

    Oh, I've enjoyed reading all of these responses to my topic, and I hope to see more, just to irritate you ;)
     
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    Kagome's Arrow Princess of Unicorns

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    Oh c'mon, I don't talk about Kagome NEARLY as much as I used to (at least not lately, old habits are slightly hard to break :D).


    One out of nine people (other then you) who have posted here, and that's not exactly something to brag about.



    Yes you have, we've had an entire conversation on AIM where you were commenting on the fact that every Inuyasha character has this horrible tragic past, and if I recall correctly your exact words were: Now all these characters have all these horrible lives except for Kagome. *pushes Kagome out of picture* Now it's perfect. Yes, I do have an excellent memory :D, but I'll save this discussion for AIM.



    Sure she is. Kagome is a typical teenaged girl, she's much more like the majority of the population then, say, Sango. But if we're talking personality here, Kagome really isn't all that unusual. She argues with her little brother, she dreads schoolwork but at the same time stresses over it, she cares deeply for her loved ones and would die before seeing them harmed, and she gets embarassed rather easily. I can think of quite a few people with similiar personality traits, and the only really unusual thing about her is the fact that she time travels, which is sort of the purpose of a "Fantasy" anime.

    She isn't actually all that nice and sweet. Her inner core is saintlike, but her demeanor is like that of almost any other normal teenager. So what you're saying is that, in today's society, nobody's good at heart anymore? Sure, I'll admit that for a fifteen year old she can be childlike and hopelessly romantic about some things, but that's what makes her so unique and a good match for Inuyasha - her soothing personality and childlike demeanor can help Inuyasha see the brighter side of life, while her fiery temper can provide a good match for his own.


    Shippo is an eight year old boy, and any attempt made on "killing Kagome" was almost laughable and not even close to succeeding. Shippo had a reasonable motive so Kagome forgave him, and the two proceeded to form a tight brother/sister bond.


    May I ask who exactly you're referring to? Hopefully you're not referring to Inuyasha, who has never tried to eat anything other then Ramen, and I SERIOUSLY doubt you're referring to Sango or Miroku or I'd have to question your mental state. Oh, you're referring to Jinenji, aren't you? Kagome spotted almost immediately that Jinenji wasn't a threat to anything but weeds and therefore had no reason to fear him. Of course you or I would run if we happened upon someone who looked like Jinenji, but you've got to understand that by the time they come across Jinenji Kagome has seen and sometimes even fought against creatures much more vile.


    Oh, I've enjoyed reading all of these responses to my topic, and I hope to see more, just to irritate you ;)[/QUOTE]


     
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    hot damn...I think Kagome's Arrow has owned you, _meow_. if the AIM discussion doesn't work out, you can always battle it out in a POKEMON BATTLE.

    Ice_Blue_Eyes: make me my spaghetti, *****
     
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  18. Dilandau

    Dilandau Highly Disturbed

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    Am I the only one here who thinks that this thread is a little, oh... offensive? o_O I won't make an issue of it since the vast majority of people here aren't taking the bait anyway, but it strikes me as a little bit cruel to start attacking a specific person and their fandom on public forums.

    So, what I'm saying is, anti-Kagome posts I won't complain about; that's just opinion. But when it starts looking more like anti-Kagome's Arrow posts... I just hope a mod is keeping an eye on this.
     
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    ........... SURE YOU DON'T.. You almost made me join boards.jp to vote for Kagome against some other guy in another Anime..


    What? Kagome doesn't nearly have that tragic of a life, does she? I never said SHE's perfect, just that it WOULD be perfect without her. There's a difference! ^_^


    The only comment I really want to point out in this is, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER LIFE BESIDES MEMORIZING IT ALL? Lol, your memory is a lot better than mine...

    And anyway, I never really thought anyone would join, it's actually somewhat a joke, remember? You said there was no "Anti-Kagome League"... so I made one! I'm surprised that someone joined, in the end. I don't know, I'm just somewhat sick of Kagome... and Dilendau [is that how you spell it? I forgot..], the only reason I'm only really replying to Kagome's Arrow is because she's the only one showing an argument.
     
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    OMG!!
    Meow and kagome's arrow are in a cat fight!
    RRUUUUUUUUUUUUNNN!! lolz ... I'm bored!

    ANYways I said this before and I'm going to say it ONE last time!! :anger2:
    ( 1rst time saying it was in the favorite/least favorite/ugliest/hottest villain Thread)
    STOP it with the b*** fights because you are ruinning the whole concept of the thread!!!! And If anyone disses some one else (although it was funny)ONe more time I'm going to have a BF!(b** fit) THAn I am going to sh*ot that person In that head cause I aM SO PISSED right now that this thread Is off topic!!! I am soooooooo anoyed too! :anger2:

    ANd remember if you wanna be a b*** and disse someone make a thread for it Or do it in PrIVATE!!!!!!!!



    P.S sry for MY temper and language.. :sweat2:
     
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