Philosophy do your actions effect your chances in the after life?

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  1. Spike_Spiegel

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    do your actions effect your chances in the after life?
     
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  2. Dusk

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    What's after life? Dirt and dust? :confused:

    Well, I would think that it depends on how our life or cyclic energy is to be absorbed by what "leech," since energy is never created nor destroyed.

    If a flower absorbs our energy through its roots, then we would become a flower. At least in part perhaps.

    If that flower is eaten by some creature, then we would become that creature? Maybe that is after life. The afterlife?

    Our actions may affect us in the afterlife by how our life comes to an end. You know, the where and the when of death. Maybe? :D
     
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  3. Kain

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    Possably, it would be hard to say unless you really want people going into their own belief structure. Then again that's can influence a person in their own lives and how they act it out. Somebody that might not believe in god may think that there is no heaven or hell so he might feel that it's ok to go out and commit crimes, cause he's not really concerned if there is an after life.
    Personally i don't really know what to beleve, it's to hard to tell, and since i'm so young in life i'm not really concerned at the moment (even though there is still a way for me to die this young). But if i ever do die and come back to life, i'll let you know ;).
     
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    Your question is vague and encompassing, so my answer shall do the same. If every action is the result of a subsequent action, and that action built up from a subsequent action with these continuning actions being built from an origin cause and that orgin being an effect of another cause; how can you definitly say who should be effected? If these actions are infinitly or finitly being caused then shall you draw boundaries and even if you do where would you draw them? At the beginning of all the causes or simply at the point of most consequence being the effect with the biggest impact or is there really such a manner of doing such? From a personal perspective, My ideal afterlife would be one in which every being within a system reaches its ideal purpose, regardless of the affinity of that purpose.
     
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    Well there's certainly nothing concrete to base any of this discussion on...

    But frankly I should certainly hope your actions do affect what happens to you in the afterlife. Hitler shouldn't get the same treatment as, say, some innocent 3 year old who got hit by a bus.
     
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    its weird that u would use cause a 3 year old in my town just died in a car/bus accident.
     
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  7. Dusk

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    Certainly, then our actions, whether accidental or deliberate, in life affect the timing of things; that is, how sooner the afterlife approaches. Hope for a just ending, then.
     
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    I wouldn't say that you should be help accountable for something that is truelly an accident.
    Like if somebody were to go out to a bar get drunk, then drive home and then cause an accident which resulted in somebody getting killed then they SHOULD be held accounable because they went out got drunk and then drove home while drunk, which they knew was unsafe and dangerous.
    However if there were to be an accident which was not really they're fault then i don't think they should be held accountable, for example if somebody were to walk out infront of a car and got killed, the driver should be held accountable because somebody else didn't have the care to look where they were going and he wasn't able to stop in time (as long as he was in the speed limit).
    So i think that if somebodys accidents are to be held accountable for affecting your chances in the afterlife, it should be taken into account of wether the person was the cause behind the accedent or not.
     
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    I think holding actions accountable does not affect the afterlife. Just any action would affect the coming of the afterlife, because actions, whether accidential or deliberate, still have their reasons and their causes. :confused:

    The idea of holding actions accountable is for justice. All actions follow and lead reactions. Life is followed by afterlife and afterlife is followed by life. I would think that all actions affect the timing of following reactions.

    Then, what are the possible chances in the afterlife? Can we name any?
    Chances are that there are no chances in the afterlife, then? :eek:
     
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    Yes of course, so since some psycho kills his wife for, he should not be held accountable for his actions and so should get into the same afterlife as Mother Teresa!!! Now where did i put that Katana?
     
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    Justice is the answer to holding action accountable; that is, to say that has nothing to do with the afterlife? How does holding acts accountable affect the afterlife, then? :confused:

    Or, could it be that the afterlife is a time of judgment, when the chances are weighed to a lifetime of deeds? Is that it?

    Then, my question: Why do accidents exist at all in life if accidents are not caused nor reasoned?
     
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    Does every natural phenomena need a purpose? No. S*** happens. Now, if a kid runs out in the middle of the street, directly into the path of a truck, and there is NO physically possible way the driver can stop in time without violating the laws of physics, and he still tries, then you can't punish him for the gooey paste the child shall transmogrify into. Now, if he could have managed to stop, but didn't even try, THEN you could hold him accountable.

    Both situations are accidents, just, one is preventable.
     
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    I think that every action does not need a purpose, but every action does have a purpose wherever there is a cause and effect situation, so that one action can lead to another action consequentially or subsequently.

    Could it be so that this question is not about holding acts accountable nor preventable? Could it be the inevitable ending belonging to the afterlife?

    What accidents there are anywhere always have a cause, perhaps? Or, are there any certain things in life that are meaningless? Only meaningless things have no purpose, then? :dizzy2:
     
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    Well, I'm pretty sure it is, since the question basically asks if your actions affect your chances (presumably for good things) in the afterlife. That would imply it's asking if you're accountable for the things you do.

    You even answered your own question: Yes, you do affect what happens after life, depending on where/how you die, because that'll affect what absorbs your material components and energy.

    ...What? :confused:

    Does anything have a meaning? There's no significant meaning or purpose in the fact that the first planet we believe we can see in another solar system is about 230 lightyears away, that's just the way things worked out.
     
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    May it be true that our actions in life affect us in the afterlife at the elemental level, but this is not about the chances existing in the afterlife.

    Now, we should make sure to describe all the possible chances there are then for us to try to make a connection from actions to these so named chances.

    Accidents, by definition, are still acts and these accidents also have a purpose or cause directly or indirectly connected to the afterlife; yet, accidents are without expectations and no accidents are preventable.

    Such acts exist to make their purpose or meaning, no matter whether we understand why or not. They do to satisfy their balance, then.

    What's in the afterlife for us to wish and pray so? Chances, what chances? This is a spiritual dilemma? This is beyond our control, then? :confused:
     
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    Well simply: We've already covered that your actions do influence what happens to your physical body.

    As far as spirituality goes, there's no way to be certain. As I noted in my first post, we have no way of having anything solid to base the discussion on. We don't know if there is an afterlife, and we don't know how one, if one exists, operates. Therefore, this discussion is more just "post what you feel and be done with it" more than anything else.
     
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    There is no discussion in "post what you feel and be done with it" topics, but this is a discussion. :confused:

    Then, we should only be wondering if there is a way to show that there really is an afterlife without our experiencing the afterlife, itself. We are to show in some way that there are really these chances which we are referring to, then?
     
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    But there is no way to show that there is or is not an afterlife. We can't debate the existence of one as this isn't a debate forum (I still disagree with the mentality that philosophy forums can't have debating because it's not nice to everyone).
     
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    This is not a debate, but this is merely a discussion on the given topic. Is that not so? :D

    Yet, the definition for the word afterlife is given and we still do not know if there really is an afterlife or not. Quite strange, isn't it? Or, aren't our dictionaries written by the same author? :confused:

    Then, we would speculate that something should exist before that something is to be named or defined.

    Or, how can we name or make meaning to something if we don't know that something through our five senses? Or, are there some other senses we don't know about?

    We should treat those undefined chances in the same manner? :sad:
     
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    ...We can't track electrons with our senses unless they are aided by machines, that doesn't mean we can't discuss them. -_-

    For the purposes of this discussion it's assumed that an afterlife exists.
     
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