Recreation Hopeless World?

i have heard so many answers to the question "what is the meaning of life?" its not funny.
anime, like cocaine or any drug, is only teperary. u get away, and be happy for a while, then, eventually, u will have to come back to this **** hole of a world.
there is NO meaning of life.
all u r doing every day is collecting one grain of sand, and throwing it on the pile of billions and billons of grains of sand that people before u have done. then, when u die, your kids will repeat the same process. and maybe, eventually, on day the pile will get so high, we just might reach wat we are looking for. a purpouse.
sometimes, when i am on a holiday, and the holiday is coming to an end, i will look back on the first day that i got there and see how much of it i wasted. and then i think, it goes so quickly. maybe when i am 80 y/o and i am in my deathbed, i will be thinking the same thing, about my younger years and how i have wasted them.
religeous group (imho) are all bull ****. if there really is a god, and he loves us all, then y dosent he change things? why did he even creat a hell in the first place? why?
maybe god is like me when i play the sims. i build a small, one room house, filled with bookshelves, then i get lots of people to go inside, then i remove the door, and i get the kid to light a firework, and i watch as they burn...

 

16?
but, yeah, i know what u r saying.
but there are always some things u gonna regret.
cant really help it.

ps: an eye cann spall. eye juss chewz knot too.

 

Another fact that people seemed to have missed is that when you're an agnst ridden teen this kinda stuff really gets to you and pisses you off, makes you depressed and all.

That's why they invented nu metal and skate boards.

 

Exiztone: Blood_Phoenix is, like, fourteen.

Quoting Blood_Phoenix:

I will grant you the fact that you have stated things "in your humble opinion." However, I can and will argue against them.

If "there is no meaning of life," which you have stated first, then how can there possibly be a "purpouse" which "we just might reach" as those grains of sand pile higher and higher? You're contradicting yourself here.

You seem like quite the atheist existentialist. Read "Man's Search For Meaning," by Viktor Frankl - it's a pretty good read (he is a Christian existentialist, but you don't need to believe in any sort of higher power to understand him and his logotherapy. It makes sense regardless of personal beliefs). The author pretty much asserts that every individual is capable of finding their own personal meaning to life, and it's written around the author's personal experiences in a concentration camp during world war II, and how he found his own personal meaning to life and how he helped those around him with the same thing. For him, it was his wife, though he didn't know if she was dead or not. He found a reason to live even when there was literally nothing else for him to live for, since he was only a number to the Nazis.

You also say "if there really is a god, and he loves us all, then y doesnt he change things?" I'm going to start with some assumptions which even you have made in this argument. Given: that there is a god and he loves us all, and gives us free will, which I assume you believe humanity has (If you don't, then sorry!). Also, since you've based an argument around the questioning of hell's creation, I'm going to assume the existence of the stated hell, plus heaven. You are arguing with monotheistic assumptions, and they will be used against you.

With that said, then it would be more loving for god NOT to change things and it would be more loving for him to NOT control humans and make it so we don't kill each other. Why? If humanity were to be stripped away of its free will, then all of us would be puppets or mindless robots, not under our own will or control. Hell is not a place where souls are sent to, as god "picks them out," rather, hell is a place where the soul sends itself to because it has rejected god - because it rejects god and does not wish to live with god, it cannot exist in heaven. Hell is a place for the SELF-CONDEMNED. Also, recall that Hell is where the angel Lucifer (or better known as Satan) is, and Hell was not made because god thought "Hey, look at those stupid humans, let's put them there!" You need a better understanding of what exactly the god figure of various religions is and what he's all about before you denounce everything that has to do with any type of religion.

Some forms of Buddhism don't even address a creator figure (or figures), and only address life on earth. And yet they are a religious group which is part of, well, everything you have above rejected. Where would your rejection of Buddhism fit into this at all?

Also, let's address Hinduism where there is no hell, but there is reincarnation?

I don't even want to get into the discussion of other world religions.

And I'll end there.

Ugh.

I'm sorry, this thread was not supposed to go into religious debate. But I refuse to allow fourteen year old atheists to stand, especially when they show that they don't have enough grounds to reject other religions. The problem of evil in the world, which is the basis for most people to reject religion, is a toughee >.<

I also want to add that it may be possible you are agnostic, and if you are, then I apologize. Questioning religion is far different from rejecting it, and if I have misinterpreted you, that is my fault. Also, if you are an atheist (and you're not blood_phoenix), I'm sure you have your reasons. That's perfectly fine. Just make sure that they are darn good reasons.
-Odin

 

ok ok ok.
i wasnt thinking straight.
staying up all night can do that.
ok.
ok. im not gonna argue with u for 3 reasons.
1. i have a major headach
2. you, a smart, mature guy can use big words and make alotta sence. i have no idea what half the word u said meant, but.
3. ur probably right. but i still think that we are all doomed to die.

 

odin wow at first i didnt want to bother reading all of that but once i did wow *pats odin on the back*

 

Quoting Blood_Phoenix:

Yes, this is true! Can't really argue with that ^_^

[don't worry, none of this post has anything to do with arguing!]

Everyone holds different beliefs, philosophies, religions, etc, but I still hold the personal belief that there are universal and objective (at least, from a human standpoint) truths.

The first of them is that we exist. We are here, and we are alive. Simple enough.

The second is that the reality that we know is only limited to human abilities - for instance, I was just thinking last night, dogs are colorblind, but they don't know that. They see only what they can see. We can see color, but is it possible that our eyes just aren't able to see something that is still there, just like how dogs can't see color?

If we truly live in a world that has no purpose, and we are the result of the big bang and the primordial soup that was theorized to exist during the beginning of Earth's growth, is human destiny left to die like another extinct species? EVEN IF this is the case, where there is no universal purpose for humanity, we are still here. We have to do something about it.

The third is that humans have abilities that are far beyond that of any other animals on the planet. As much as I enjoy reading Douglas Adams, mice nor dolphins are more intelligent than us (^_^). Even while the scientist Skinner would see us as a more advanced form of other earthly animals, we are still a very special case. Our intellects and wills allow us to create and destroy as we will, which could bring down humanity's downfall or advance to a stable society.

As technology has increased, humanity has become more connected. We're no longer separated by half a year's travel time from the next continent, and even now I'm demonstrating the power of the internet. I can talk to someone on the other side of the globe in seconds. While this technology could be used in a negative way, it also provides a new hope for us - communication. Miscommunication causes so much . . . well . . . crap to happen, and it still does, but through technology it is possible for humans to understand and appeciate each other.

Science is sort of a double-edged sword. It could annihalate us all or save the human race. But I think that it can provide far more good, as long as its developments are used properly.

Teamwork and altruism (in a sense, altruism not entirely) is essential for humanity to advance. The United States could probably feed the world with all of the money it has, if the government were to redirect its funds. The problem with Capitalism is that it is self-serving - not that I hate capitalism, since I think it's the best current form of government. There are things we can do that we just don't, since we are primarily concerned with ourselves.

And that's enough for now. I hope this doesn't kill the topic.
-Odin