Inu-Yasha Kikyo, good or evil?

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  1. Kagome's Arrow

    Kagome's Arrow Princess of Unicorns

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    True, but she still seems to think she has some claim to him.
    if you'll recall, in this episode she states "your life belongs to me and nobody else"
    ... is it just me or is that a bit stalker-ish?... again, i don't really think it's her fault.. im just pointing it out
     
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  2. Leon Striker

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    because Kagome is in her way to get inu-yasha i mean come on if a girl/guy was in the way of getting the person you love what would you do and on top of that knowin that the person u love has feelings for BOTH of you. :anime: DAMN IM GOOD
     
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  3. Shadowbard

    Shadowbard Black-Winged Angel

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    Kikyo brings in the rather cliche love-triangle element. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but it does follow a somewhat predictable pattern, making it cliche. Sure, it works, but I don't think it's the only way the situation could have worked out. Kikyo does force Inuyasha to choose by being there, and she helps him see that Kagome is a separate and distinct individual and not just a Kikyo clone, but even those are fairly classic elements of the love-triangle setup.

    In some ways I think it would be more interesting if Kikyo weren't in the picture. The love-triangle conflict wouldn't be there (yes, in some ways Kouga provides a second love-triangle, but he inspires Inuyasha's jealousy rather than forcing him to choose one or the other). Inuyasha would have no easy indicator that Kagome isn't just a Kikyo clone, and he would be forced to choose, not between two solid, more or less living beings, but between his memory of Kikyo and Kagome, the girl who is her reincarnation. I think it would take longer for Inuyasha to resolve some things if Kikyo weren't there.

    ...and when you take into account that love-triangles (or polygons, as the case may be), are a Rumiko Takahashi special then it makes the whole situation between Inuyasha, Kikyo, and Kagome more of a "oh, I've seen this already. Next!" type of thing.

    ~Shadrach Anki
     
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  4. A-L-D

    A-L-D New Member

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    Both

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    I think its both good and bad

    She had her life stollen from her

    Then had herself brought back to life as a demon????

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  5. Leon Striker

    Leon Striker New Member

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    This is true i will give u that but no matter what she plays a big role in the show and i still say she is good because if she was bad she would have done some-thing drastic already​
     
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  6. Runa Striker

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    If you ask me this can all be corrected if Kikyo got some therapy! Past life tragedies can't be good for you as seen in the show. :sweat2:
     
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  7. oreo

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    i guess Kikyo seems evil sumtimes, n sumtimes she's just plain weird. but she always has her reasons n she's a smart person. so yea, i think she's good, but weird sumtimes :sweat:

    just curious... but ummm... wat is this truth ur talking about? :sweat2:
     
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  8. wing_goddess

    wing_goddess Power User

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    Kikyou **before she died** i think was a really good person...overtime she made Inu Yasha more, shall i say, tamer. after she's been revived though, so much has changed and happened to her-

    -Naraku being the one at fault of her death
    -Kagome being with Inu Yasha, who he has feelings for too
    - made of clay **that must suck**
    -need the souls of others to live
    - maybe that witch who revived her did something else to make her the way she is?
    etc.

    kikyou as undead is just pure mad or really confused. like come on...why would ANYONE want to send Inu Yasha to hell?! when she says "come to hell with me Inu Yasha!"? it's more like...uhhh....no....you suck.

    heh, i'm not THAT much of a kikyou hater...even though it doesn't sound that way as much.
     
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  9. Kagome's Arrow

    Kagome's Arrow Princess of Unicorns

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    Reading back on what I originally wrote, I think I'd have to change some of my statements. A few months ago I said that while I thought Kikyo wasn't neccasarily evil, I didn't think she was neccasarily good either, but after three months of gaining more respect for Kikyo, I'll have to withdraw the previous sentiments.

    Now I'd say that Kikyo is most definiately a "good" character, whether she acts the part very well or not. In life she was most definitely what you all would consider a "good" character: gentle, amiable, kind, loving, etc. I still haven't seen any hints that she had even a single fault, though I'm sure she must've done SOMETHING imperfect in the course of her lifetime.

    However, after death her positive demanor begins to shift out of (in my opinion) both sheer anger and loss. I mean, let's review everything that's happened since Kikyo's tragic death.

    -her ex-boyfriend is beginning to fall for her reincarnation
    -the man who she nursed back to health out of pure kindness was responsible for her death
    -initially she doesn't know this and thinks her ex-boyfriend is responsible for her death
    -she's brought back to life knowing that she has no chance to become a true living entity again, thus making her bitter and cold. It's like dangling a chocolate ice cream cone in front of a five year old... almost impossible to resist yet impossible to gain.

    Oh, and not to mention the fact that her soul was brought back primarily on both bitterness and hatred. It's amazing that she was able to turn this around at all, but her progression throughout the episodes shows that she indeed has.

    These aren't exactly spoileriffic (to anybody who's seen the C.N episodes) but just in case

    Episode 15- She's brought back to life on anger and bitterness, and of course these feelings are shown through her actions. Seemingly furious, she lashes out at Inuyasha in sheer anger before falling to (what we think is) her doom.

    Episode 22- We see Kikyo helping out in a village and becoming something of an older sister to one of the younger village girls. This is when we first get the impression that Kikyo wants nothing more then to join the world of the living again and live out the remainder of her life in both peace and tranquility, though she knows she'll never recieve such an opportunity. :(

    Episode 23- Still in the mindset that Inuyasha's responsible for her death, she sets up a trap to trick him into accompanying her to hell. After unintentionally running into Kagome, she learns that Inuyasha was, in fact, not responsible for her death, though she refuses to believe it and tries to drag Inuyasha to hell with her anyhow. After this fails, she leaves to visit her sister Kaede, where we first see signs that Kikyo isn't as cold and malicious as some of us think her to be. She seems almost sorrowful and regretful that while she'd wanted to help Inuyasha, change him from a brash and power-hungry demon into the decent person she knew he had the potential to be, that duty has now been handed to Kagome on a silver platter.

    Episode 33- Here's the episode that has brought on many a Kikyo hater, the episode where Kikyo attempts to murder Kagome. But you have to realize that since Kikyo is no longer fully a human being, the concept of death isn't as horrible and malicious to her as it probably once was. When she set out to kill Kagome, her intention wasn't exactly "KILL KAGOME", her goal was moreso to retrieve the shards for Naraku and killing Kagome (while not exceedingly high on her priorities list) seemed the easiest way to do it. After all, Kagome's given her almost every reason to despise her (not intentionally of course, but the jealousy and rivalry is still there). And of course the huge band of Kikyo haters seem to tune out the end of the episode when Kikyo not only reveals her plan to destroy Naraku, but says something that gives us a blatantly obvious look regarding where she stands.

    "My soul is now more free then it's ever been. Free to hate, free to love". Of course then we get a flashback of Kikyo and Inuyasha's lives BEFORE Kikyo's death, and after seeing a picture like that I can't understand how the anti-Kikyo group can loathe her so. It's obvious she carries a heavy emotional burden and is doing her best to deal with it in her own way, though quite a few people seem to be oblivious to the intentions behind her actions.

    Episode 47- Another episode that's brought on quite a few Kikyo bashers. This is the episode that seems to be the climax between Kikyo and Inuyasha's relationship and where it'll be heading toward the future. Inuyasha saves Kikyo's life and instead of showing gratitude she practically insults his attempts at rekindling their relationship and then "tries to kill him".

    Here's the thing: I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt that Kikyo would've actually gone through with the attempt. The knife was only used to create a diversion to allow a graceful exit, and I'm sure it was very difficult for her to do. She was obviously trying her hardest not to fall for Inuyasha's words, for she knows that as much truth as there may be behind him, their relationship can never be truly rekindled. Not only does his heart belong to another, but she's dead and neither Inuyasha or she can change that fact. They are of two different worlds, thus discontinuing any further relationship between them. Knowing that being with Inuyasha is impossible for her, she can't allow herself to pretend, so she leaves him with the impression that he repulses her. It's only as she leaves that she (again) says something that should give us some pretty good insight into her motives.

    "The red string of fate, once broken, cannot be mended". I've pretty much explained the meaning behind these words above, so no need to say much of anything here.

    Tsubaki's Unrelenting Spell (no idea what number this is)- This is when we see a turnaround in Kikyo's position, for this is the first time she openly aids the Inuyasha group in a battle against Naraku (not Naraku himself, but rather another one of his "hired hands"). It's actually KIKYO who brings Kagome back out of the curse and allows her to fight against Tsubaki, and she leaves shortly after, but not before glancing down at the scene before in almost an expression of respect (for Kagome). Whether it was this episode or the preceeding one, Kikyo also threatens Tsubaki to her death if she so much as touches Inuyasha, and if that doesn't say something then I don't know what does.
     
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  10. AsIaNgUrL

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    kikyo is good in some way.. she´s got her way to be good and evil at the same time... but once she thought she was betrayed... her papers were flipped.. and keeps on flipping once in a while.. she helps inu, then wants to kill him.. helps kills.. wut a mess!!! @_@
    anyways--- she got her reasons to be evil ne? but i guess all those times of evilness she was in she was still good
    misao
     
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  11. deadlysanctuary

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    I also think that Kikyo is a little of both. She was still looking for herbs with children after she was resurrected which shows her sensitive side. Then again she tries to kill Inuyasha and take him to hell. If she ever loved him she should have tried to learn the truth, to trust him even though he is a half-demon. I have to lean more on the evil side.
     
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  12. Kos-Mos

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    I used to despise Kikyo, and I believed she was evil.
    But now, watching more and reading more about her, I think I like Kikyo much more than Kagome.
    I dont believe she's evil. Evil is a very strong word. I think a good word for it is damaged. She just needs to move on with life...er death, whatever, and get over InuYasha.
     
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  13. tascha

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    you're right "Kos-Mos" evil is a strong word but what do you call someone who drags some one to hell than? DAmaged? more like crazy/evil!!!

    What do you call someone who has Shinidama Chuu (Soul-Snatching demons) that Kikyou controls who catch the souls of those who have died before they can go to wherever it is that souls go after a person dies? Damaged?

    Let's all leave it at this: Good and Evil = A bad case of P.m.s
    (no fense to kikyo fans)<--can't spell if my life depended on it

    note: I'm not a kikyo hater Pic
     
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  14. NoDa

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    I think i would classify Kikyou as a neutral like you guys said. She doesnt seem all evil, because what inuyasha and her felt was i think true love. I think she hate Naraku waaay more than i think she hates inuyasha

    ((sorry, I might not make too much sense... I'm at school, and you know))
     
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  15. KaYasha

    KaYasha I'm Boelak Yrubron

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    Kikyou is not evil at all.How would you feel if the person you loved killed you then you were brought back to life and found out that the person who killed you was alive.You tryed to kill that person again but failed and then find out that person didnt do anything at all is a differnt person.
    Kikyou is not evil shes just a bit :confused: ,but who wouldnt be.
     
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