Cowboy Bebop My basic analyzation of the entire show

Spoilers ensue of course
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Unfortunetly the last episode was slightly spoiled for me and I was completely distraught when I heard the news. Still I grew teary-eyed when the hero fell.
And I've been constantly asking "why" or "what does it symbolize?" I still don't really have an answer. Most movies/shows with heros who die tend to be symbolic of Christ. In fact it's extremely common (see On the Waterfront, The Truman Show, even Pleasentvile.) Other stories would have them symbolize Adam and Eve (Metropolis the original, Pleasentvile again, Truman Show again. Gee what am I watching in film class?)
Yet I can't find any basis for this story. Like Christ, Spike dies and comes back at least once (when he "died" for the syndicate), but unlike Christ he dies again at least 2ce. Once during Ballade of Fallen Angels and most finally and unprecedently in the last episode. Spike is not Christ.
However, if he were then Anastasia would definitly be Mary as she is a definite mother figure, and Jet is a definite father figure. Heck, maybe Fay's his sister, Ed his daughter, and Ein his dog. They might as well be. In a way we all know Spike loves Fay, but I think no more then like rivaling sister.
After all, the show is entirely about Spike. For a long time I thought it was about these 4 guys and a dog with a ship, and Spike just happened to be as main a character as Spock on the Enterprise (well he's more like Bones really.)
Cowboy Bebop is about Spike. If Spike were Adam Vicious is Satan.
But to be honest I think the entire Vicious character is somewhat stolen (or entirely influenced from) from The Crow (AKA Ash and I'm not talkin about Pokemon.) They both have bird alter-egos, look exactly the same, and are quite hard to kill.
Except this case Ash is the villian. No wonder so many of you like Vicious. You probably would like The Crow as well.
However, again precedent is broken because Vicious is not Satan, and therefore Spike is not Adam (besides Adam didn't die nearly as often and Spike dosn't care about God.) Vicious is Spike's exact opposite. Everyone knows that. Maybe Vicious is Spike's alter-ego, that just happens to get him killed? Yet still; what does that prove??

Anyhow, to sum it all up I'm totally impressed by how many archetypes Cowboy Bebop dosn't follow. Not a single cliche (other then Vicious himself. Ed maybe a little bit.) No formula. 100% totally original and fairly mind-blowing. Definitly my favorite show.

So what is this show about? It's about Spike. Maybe in a way we are all Spike? Maybe in a way none of us should be like Spike? Maybe in a way what? I still don't know. Any ideas?

-Sarah of Borg

 

Pure greatness!!! What more do you need to say?

 

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!

Where to start..

Ok.. First of all.. why must you assume that there is some symbolism to christ.. in bebop or Any other anime.. Yeah some are apperent.. And some only if you Pretend there is.. Or even if the Writers say so..

What do you mean.. Its just someones crazy imagination Mixing the Wild West, Jazz and Blues and Sci Fi all in one to Make Cowboy bebop.

You have your Hero *spike* your Antagonist *Vicious* your Rag tag Crew Jet, Faye, Ed and ein. Spike And Vicious use to be Best friend and became mortal enemies over a Girl.. *julia*

The main Plot is about Spike yes.. But the show is about all of them. You see stories about Jet and his Background, You see some about Faye.. Some about ed.. and Then you see some about all of them together.. the Show is about all of them.. The main plot Is about spike. But without the others there would be no show..

And Please don’t compare them to Star trek.. Both Shows HAVE nothing in common.. Besides the fact its Sci fi..

Ok I’ve Seen the Crow.. The movie is lame.. And they Have Nothing in common. Vicious is Not Birdie, he is not tied to his bird, In fact he has he bird kill the Red Dragon elders at the end.. Vicious just has White Hair with a Busyness Suit and a Fancy Trench cloak. and for style he carries a sword.. He is Hard to kill because he is snake like.. Nothing about him is stolen from the Crow..

Your digging for something thats not there.. and never will be..

The show is just jazz and western influenced that have become a cult classic...

KaME

 

I think you're trying to find something really deep in Cowboy Bebop.Somethin' that ain't there.Like Kame said,it's just a really nifty anime show about bounty hunters and their adventures.Sure,there are some deep themes and morals underneath all of it,but nothing like your saying.You're trying to find some sort of philosophy or something in it.At least that's what i'm hearing.It's this simple:

cool music+great characters+great story+loads of action=Cowboy Bebop

It's really NOT as deep as you're saying.

 

Believe me if there weren't any point to the entire show then it wouldn't be any good at all.
I say it's entirely about Spike because I belive all the development for the other characters is really there just to help reflect off Spike.
If it were about the other characters, we might have found out just a little bit more about what happens after Spike is gone. Remember how they all went nuts when they figured out he was going to go get himself killed, and then they all started to talk about themselves?
Love that cat story, about the cat that dies a million times. Spike is obviously the cat, and oddly enough he hates cats. All the more reason to believe that Vicious is his alter ego.

Anyhow, I could do a list of how this show and Star Trek are simular, but it's only if you agree with my point of veiw for the symbolism of both shows. Just because you don't like Trek dosn't mean it has nothing to do with anything. In fact, Trek is everywhere.
And The Crow can beat Vicious's butt any day.

-Sarah of Borg

 

you want to know why they put that into the show at the end.. Because its Forshadowing his Death.. Thats why its there.. Its a Story about him and Julia.

As for Ed leaving with Ein. Faye leaving for a Bit then coming back.. That forshadowing that the show is coming to an end..

And As for Star Trek.. Ive Watch Most of the original All of TNG and All Of Deep Space nine.. some of Voyager.. and few of Enterprise.. So I know the Show.. And Believe me.. you will be DIGGING HARD to compare the shows..

So Dont bother..

KaMe

 

I have to argue a tad... there is a semi good amount of story line in Bebop.

 

no one said that there was not Bounty..

WE said that there is NOt this DEEP DEEP hidden meaning in the show..

KaMe

 

I was only thinking TOS. I don't care for the other shows.

 

Now is that a flame or what? Control yourself!
A great mod once said "Attack the issue not the person."
Other then that I will not justify myself to some one so irrational.

-Sarah of Borg

 

OOOO Terribly sorry, I guess I need to read a little closer, terribly sorry

 

Is it ok if I hold the opinion that there is a moral to the entire story, or must I be cruxcified?

-Sarah of Borg

 

I don't think there are any morals in Cowboy Bebop. Its just a story about four bounty hunters trying to earn a living.

The main storyline (eps 5,12,13,25,26) isn't about bounty hunting however. Its about Vicious revenge on the Red Dragon Elders, Gren, Spike, and Julia. He succeeds in killing off all of them, all be it at the cost of his own life.

This isn't a cliche good vs. evil anime. Spike isn't "good", and Vicious isn't "evil" at all. Spike is a former gangster who has killed many many people, and Vicious is getting revenge in the series against all the people who have betrayed him.

avmoghe

 

True, Spike is "awsome" and Vicious is "A pimpin Bad@** with a sword who seeks revenge on all"

 

Thank You!Believe me,I know plot as well as (probably better than) the next guy.Not once did I say that there's no plot to Cowboy Bebop.I'd have to be a complete moron to say that.Considering that Cowboy Bebop is my favorite show in the universe and all.How dare you say such things about me and my CB!I think some of you guys are misinterpreting some of these posts here.

 

the ending was good but how it was exactly sucked not about Spike Person dieing but HOW he died it was kinda you know lame.

 

I'm not saying it's all black and white, but I still belive it's about good vs. evil between them. I prefere the word archetype to cliche anyway. Personally I think it has more to do with the relationship between the two then it has to do with the sub-plot of the red dragon stuff.


Let me clarify something. These are my opinions and just because no one has succeeded in convincing me otherwise dosn't mean I am not considering anything else. If I didn't care what you guys thought I wouldn't have posted this thread. The end.

-Sarah of Borg

 

WHAT!?!?!?!?!? like Blue Crow said "How dare you..." say that the way spike died wasnt cool!!!

(this has already astablised...):

The fact that Spike dies fits the plot perfectly, and further more!, the way he dies is even more in tune with the story line... i think... so...

In the words of Blue Crow,

 

seriously I cried when he died