Debate Smoking

That's not a true statement for us Canadians. Legislation on the issue was rejected, and the law is currently in a state of limbo. It is therefore neither legal nor illegal. Try to wrap your brain around that one. It really hurts the head.
Nevertheless, I concur. That's not really the topic at hand here.

 

I can't say I'm a fan of it really... sometimes the smell bothers my asthma, sometimes not. My girlfriend smokes from time to time and that doesn't bother me cuz she doesn't do it around me. She also doesn't smoke enough for that ashtray taste, so no complaints here. My biggest gripe is coming home from a bar and smaelling like that... that's what bothers me the most. Cigars are all good in my book tho, go figure.

 

I was a smoker, gave up a while ago, dont get craveings at all but i think thats just because im wired, i have a rather strong risistance to most drugs. Ive always been infavor of the ban of smoking in public, even when i was a smoker. Other people shouldnt have to suffer just because somone needs there fix, but i dont think a ban on all somking is the way to go ether.

 

First of all, I'd say that it is NOT the company's fault that they got sick from smoking, although, I wouldn't ever even MAKE IT to begin with. They know it hurts people and think of it this way. They make it, and they know it hurts people. But they just dont give a damn. Shame on you makers of cigs. Bad! I think they SHOULD donate money. No matter what they say.

 

If you had any idea how much profit there was to be gained in the tobacco industry, you wouldn't say that. The only thing bigger's gotta be oil, an addiction in itself.
Of course, government regulations are no help for anything. They're as addicted to cigarettes as the people smoking them. Well, it's really the immense tax revenues they're addicted to, but you get the idea.
The industry should be self-regulating, like so many others are. They need standards of their own. They need to look after things for themselves. I mean, those ads on TV about the evils of smoking and all that don't do anything but annoy people. How many people are going to say "gee, I'm going to stop smoking now!" after watching one of those?
Standards need to be developed, and there needs to be an organization to enforce them.

 

Incorrect.

When a bill is in 'limbo' as you put it, all previous laws that it would effect are still considered to be law. If they introduced and rejected legislation to make drunk driving legal, at no point in that process would drunk driving be not illegal, unless the legislation was actually passed, at which point the law is immediately changed.

- Ark

 

Dude, there are cafés in DOWNTOWN TORONTO that specialize in coffee and pot smoking. They can't SELL it, because TRAFFICKING is illegal, but possession of small amounts and the use thereof is NOT. There was giant article on this in the Toronto Star that one of my friends was so kind as to post on the walls of the floor.

 

Seems my Aunt lost her bar because of the smoking by-laws. They didn't want to enforce them because a town close by isn't under the same legislation and didn't have to enforce the rules, hence my Aunt's place was losing business because of it. And so, the controversy of this damn by-law pops up again. I'm still for the law, and I suppose that my Aunt deserved to lose the bar if they weren't obeying the law. But ****. It's just a big mess. Wish this didn't have to happen, no idea what they're going to do now.

 

This "no-public smoking" law that is in enforcement may not hurt a majority of businesses, but (as Kogepan showed with her Aunt's predicament), what about bars, smoke houses and other smoker-specific places? Since it is illegal to smoke inside a public building, these places will lack customers (and the oder of smoke will cling to the walls, roof and floor) and will go down the tubes unless they can do adjusting. No smoking in resturants I can understand, but it should still be allowed in some places.

 

Bars aren't smoker-specific. I don't smoke, but I still go to bars.
Perhaps bars should be able to acquire smoking permits designating them to be smoking areas. This way, everyone would know in advance that the establishment they are entering allows smoking, so they'd have no grounds to complain about it. They would also know the inverse: that other bars do not allow smoking, so they could not complain about this.
It's just a matter of regulation.

 

What about states where the law against smoking inside public buildings makes no exceptions to anyone or any establishment no matter what the business may be? That isn't what I would call regulation.

 

Okay, they need looser regulation. They need MODERATION. Sorry, that's really what I meant.

 

In fairness, some of the smarter, trendier places have as I understand it, set up private rooms with no waiter service so the smoking ban doesn't apply, as there is no danger to the staff. There'll always be loopholes, and some of the bars will end up making a lot more money renting out private rooms than they would have without the smoking ban.


I amen't quite sure what my point is, but there you go.

 

Those people who stop smoking very easily are really, really weird or aren't that addicted. Most people who smoke find it incredibly hard to stop and start getting cranky and can't stop craving it. Then after a while the craving stops, and all's well. I think it's still the cigarette company's fault. It's really hard to stop smoking and they know it. But that doesn't stop them from manufacturing them.

 

Well, I don't think the Tobacco companies are as bad as all those Truths commercials make them sound. I mean it's not a bunch of Legato's running the place making the people smoke still they are the ones putting it out on the market so I agree that they should donate money into things like cancer research and hospitals. Still it's good that Truth comercials are trying to inform the public. But maybe they should tone it down a bit. You know get the message across with out making the tobacco companies seem like evil and meniacal villians.

 

The way I see it, it's gonna hit us either way. No matter where we go, it'll be there and if you outlaw it in certain areas, at this point... well with some people, it will put others in more danger, probably. My brother smokes about a pack a day (actually usually like one or two less) and when he tried quitting, cold turkey... well, it just was not a pretty sight, I'll tell you that much. Looked like he was about to have a bloody anuerysm. But, think about the less stable people. I feel sorry for the waiter in Friday's that tells Joe Schmoe who just got fired from his job at the post office and just wants some raw ****in' red meat and a cancer stick that "Sorry sir, you can't smoke in here". It's crap like that that gets people killed.

 

NO LAW SHALL STOP PEOPLE FROM SMOKING! Sorry im sort of the rebelliious type. :sweat: Well anywayz i dont smoke but i think it should be allowed anywhere except on certain conditions.
1. NO CHILDREN MUST BE WITH YOU
2. YOU MUST SMOKE OUT OF CONTACT OF FLAMMABLE THINGS
3. 21 OR OLDER TO SMOKE...

I just thought of those right now but i think they will do just good....sort of.

Everything has a weakness....

 

well i smoke...mostly cigars and pipes...honestly cigarettes disgust me...but i love the taste of pipe and cigar smoke...go figure...but i am quite aware of the risks...and im not a chain smoker...i smoke once a month...but i think that if you smoke like a runner breathing then yeah getting sick and dying is your fault...the risks are plainly known so getting addicted is your fault...