Recreation US plans to ban Cloning of Humans.

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  1. DrunkLeprachaun

    DrunkLeprachaun Tetsu Oushi

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    BB, I'm not sure cloning animals to feed the masses would be practical. Would it not be cheaper to breed them normaly? Unless you modified them to make them like, super huge or some **** like that, and you could modify vegetables to grow really fast to feed them, and the masses. But the trouble with feeding the starving people of the third world is that they'd still be poor, they'd still probably have as many children as they are now. That would lead to widespread drought, famine and disease due to overcrowding. It could well wipe out whole countries. The people of those countries would have to be made aware of the damage of having too many children.
    It may sound terrible to say that they have to die, but as is, if everyone there lives, it could lead to them all dieing. It's kind of a catch 22.
     
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  2. Bloodberry

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    well, i'm not saying feeding ppl is the only way to make their lives better. it's just one part of the whole. you can't throw food at some one and yell, "live better!" and yes, normal breeding would be faster, i think too. but it's there just in case we need to do it cause food got really low somewhere or something. or, we can breed via cloning, the uber-cow. free from illness and deformations, the uber cow can go about it's life of eating and sleeping with worry that it's meat will go bad,(or milk) due to illness. or that it's young will be sick on birth, or after.
     
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  3. Nephilim_X

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    Or if science was developed enough, just kerplunk the original mind into the new body. Of course, there would have to be a way to keep the brain from deteriorating, and the only viable option would be 'brain-taping', which, while plausible, is not within our reach yet.

    Of course, this may all be a moot point someday, because the idea of transferring ones mind onto computers and discaring the body has popped up. Not viable yet but as computers continue to improve, they wll one day exceed human mental capacity.
     
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  4. Phalanx

    Phalanx Long Live M2A!

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    Jesus, most of what seems to be happening is what I see or read in animes or mangas. What are we turning ourselves into? The Zentradi? Or the bio-machines from "Ghost in the Shell?" (or maybe even both).

    Im also concerned that instead of a machines with AI wiping out the human race (Terminator and Terminator 2 movies), we might by some super humans. Besides, don't you think that the military might get in on this and create some super troopers? Then what about that Star wars idea? Making a clone army? That might not be too far off....

    I'm for cloning of individual body parts to use in the medical industry. I'm also for research into the cures of various types of fatal deseases, as long as they refrain from cloning a whole person to get it.
     
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  5. Nephilim_X

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    (mordedit) sweet tapdancing christ, were all those yesses neccesary?(/mordedit)

    YES!


    As for the GITS thing, we could do that too, and theres actually a theory that the entire human population could someday convert itself into entirely computer life-forms. Not androids, but, WITHIN the computer. And our construction tools would be nano-bots. In fact, some scientists belief any first contact with an alien nation would be by meeting their ambassador nanobot.
     
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  6. Phalanx

    Phalanx Long Live M2A!

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    *slaps head* Oh for the love of god.........
    You really believe that this will happen? The way things are going, it never will. Comon, think about it. Doctors are still arguing over Vitamin C, so they'll never get around to anything important.
     
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  7. Nephilim_X

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    Not that it *will*, but that it *could*. We can already make prosthetic limbs that can be controlled with the mind. And research into nanobots does exist, as does research in the mind and 'storing' it.

    Besides, I'm sure that, oh, 20 years ago, people would have laughed when you said "I bet we can clone animals and even people really soon." You never can tell.
     
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  8. Phalanx

    Phalanx Long Live M2A!

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    Do you know what those prosthetic limbs are like? They can only do a few basic things (like the leg for example), straigh up, bent, left and right. Thats it, they are also crudly hooked up to the lower C-spine and it needs some scoure of electrical power (battery) to work. Sure, it will happen, but we'll all be long gone before it becomes a common thing.
     
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  9. Mordeth

    Mordeth Mordeth Vult!

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    10 years ago a top of the line PC was something like a p120 ...

    now look at what we've got and can do...

    you can't predict something like new technology, because if we could.. it wouldn't be new :)
     
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  10. Phalanx

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    Sure, the mechanical and electronic gear development is in full speed ahead. I understand, look at the video games from back then as compared to now (just eight years ago, imagine what they'll be like in eight more years).

    But am I right when I say that things that apply to the human body, whether it be a new treatment, new medicine or new whatever, are very slow in being accepted by the medical community? They take their time at this stuff and question everything. Not like their slacking off either, its just that they work out every little problem and every chance for something to go wrong. But guess what, things still happen. Considering the immense complexity of the human body (i'm majoring in Kinesiology, so i've seen the immense amount of stuff inside of us). I'm surprized that things are as far as they already are, there is just so much that we don't know about the body, not to mention the snowflake on the tip of the iceburg weve gotten through with understanding the way the brain works.
     
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  11. Nephilim_X

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    Yeah, but as has been said, you can't really predict how technology will go. For all we know, some uber-genius will invent a synthetic muscle, or something. Or maybe not. Who knows? I sure don't.

    And yes, I know current prosthetic limbs rather suck.

    But then so did the first cars.

    Not that I'm suggesting the human body is as simple as a car, but that prosthetic limbs can be improved as time goes on.
     
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  12. Bloodberry

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    personally, i've always believed that things take so long to advance in medicine not because of being methodical.it's because the ppl that allow procedures to be changed don't let them change because they've believed that it'll only work the one way for so long, that they won't allow it to change. you can prove em wrong forever, but if it goes against the old guys with power, it'll never change. ppl in general, aren't really up for a change from the norm...it's what happens. if the ppl making the rules were 20 years younger(at least) there'd be a lot more advances in medicine, i think anyways
     
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  13. GenericHero5

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    Exactly, BB. Far too oft i've seen complications arise that the doctor couldnt take care of, or see beforehand, tbh. The medical field needs an advancement sorely.

    And the medicianl field is not so much being slow as being thorough. Before a new drug is put out, they have to test it for a) effectiveness, b) side effects, and c) possible interactions. And there are a lot of drugs out there that dont mix well, tbh. They also have to do group studies, blind tests, and other wonderful things, like figuiring out the correct dosage and putting it through the FDA (or your country's equivalent.). All this can take up to a decade before a drug is finally "completed."

    And that very same complexity of the human body is just why things go wrong, also. No two people are exactly the same, so no two procedures would be identical, same goes for side effects of pills and such. Person A could take nyquil and sleep for a day or two, while person B could take the same dosage and be up till the end of the week.

    Indeed, it is a miracle that the medical science is so far, and I for one cannot wait for the next 8 years worth the games :D
     
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