Recreation Is sucide ever justifiable:)

I was wondering if you thought suicide was ever justifiable. I think it can be, but only if you are in war under certain curcumstances. What do you think?

 

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wha??? in opinion its not justifyable. No NO NO it is cowardice and riduculous.. there ae others way wayy other ways to get help and help yoursef.. shame yourself? how much worse could you have shamed yourself then a whole nation knowing something horrible than some mates at school or your entire town? doesnt take a lot of courage..its like going in to get your something peirced..you just brainwashed yourself..
Its a waste and is pathetic.. no go :bleed: and the poeple lose respect for you and you hurt those that care even if you think no one does.. that is selfish

 

Depends.

Lets hypothetically say that there was a war on, and someone knew the strategies for their army. Now lets say they were going to be captured. If they didnt want the enemy to squeeze out the details via interrogation, suicide is probably the only way out.

Euthanasia, on the other hand, is fine when there is simply no way to heal the person and their normal death would be excruciatingly painful.

 

hmmmm... i agree with neph with how he said that if you knew the plans for your army and that you were going to be captured then is alright because its for the good of the county right?
but then agian what if you were a teenager who was depressed who didn't have an excuse like that? most suicides these days are done by depressed teenagers. in this situation i think that suicide is not justifiable. because you could always go and see a psyciatrist(sp?). i know its hard to spill someone guts to a total starnger. i know because i had to go and see one when i was deppressed. but maybe the fact that someone really cares and want to help them may be able to help. its better than suicide.

 

Yeah. Killing yourself because you can't get a date for the dance is bloody stupid.

However, self-sacrifice is noble, as the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

 

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I must agree with neph also though

 

I think it can only be justifiable in the persons mind. Such as what Nephilim said in a war and if there is no other way. Or if a person is drained and not fuctioning in the mind like with vegetables. They don't deserve to live that existance.

 

Suicide is only 'noble' where it protects the life of another, at any other circumstance it is cowardly, imo.

- Ark

 

This would include protecting strategy as I noted above. If the enemy knows the strategy, you're in big trouble.

As for 'cowardly', I don't think Euthanasia is cowardly at all. Precisely what is wrong with wanting to spare ones family the grief of seeing you painfully deterioate and die in horrible pain and anguish? Whats wrong with a nice clean easy death?

 

"Suicide? I despise that word the most." - Vash (Trigun)

I believe that every one of us has so much that we can give to this world, even if we are struggling we should never take the easy way out. I have had many rough times in my life, but I'm here now and I think going through these experiences has caused me to mature even more. For someone to just give up is a pity because if they faced their problems head on and solved them, then in the future they would be able to help others going through the same problem.

I watched the case on Sue Rodriguez, and found it very sad She was going through ALS and wanted the right to kill herself before things got worse for her because she didn't want her family to see her when things got really bad. But, if I were in her position I would try to do as much as I can in this world until the day I pass on naturally(or become a vegetable in her case). I know that it would be very painful to die that way but still a person assisting them in suicide(Euthanasia) is still seen by the law as taking away that person's life.

But, if anyone here knows of the Latimer case.. that's a very contraversial topic, as well. Robert Latimer euthanized his daughter Tracy in 1993 because Tracy had serious cerebral palsy, she suffered from constant seizures and for sure she was in pain. It's hard for this case to determine whether or not he was wrong because he did this out of love for his daughter to release her. But, the law sees this as illegal too because he took Tracy's life... But does that make the law wrong? Because if they did pass a law on Euthanasia then what is stopping people from euthanizing everyone with cerebral palsy or any disability, for that matter, because they believe they are suffering? As a side note, Tracy, from every picture I saw on this news report was smiling.

I believe that dying for the sake of another is very noble, though I see this as more of a sacrifice than suicide.

 

Self sacrifice is still suicide. Look at it in one way and Jesus commited suicide by willingly giving himself even though he could have avoided it all and lived longer.

I don't know about the US, but in Canada and the UK, suicide is not actually illegal, nor is attempted suicide. Now, what if they -want- to kill thmself, but they physically cant?

Also some people say "If you pull the plug, you play God!"

To them I say "You play God when you plug them in as well. Stop being hypocritical. Were it not for human intervention, they would be dead."

 

But severely depressed people often see them self’s as being the equivalent of vegetables, and that it is the only way out.

 

Screw them.

I'm fighting for euthanasia and self-sacrifice.

Euthanasia would be a regulated process needing approval.

Self-sacrifice is not to ease ones pain but to protect others.

Some whiny little **** who just can't deal, THATS what I say is not justifiable.

 

Nah, in Canada attempted suicide is illegal, and can have punishments. But the people who do this are usually given psychiatric help...

As for Jesus commiting suicide, I wouldn't see it as suicide exactly since suicide is "The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself, "(suicide.com) And Jesus did not take his own life, as Judas did, but He allowed others to take His life...

I guess that maybe it would be kind of justified suicide(though, I know there is another term for it) if I ran in front of a bullet to protect another.

Wouldn't suicide, by definition, then be taking a weapon and killing yourself? Without the intervention of any other person? Because even if I did take the bullet another person shot the gun.

And for the pulling the plug to play God thing, that second part doesn't exactly relate because it would then be playing God to take tylenol to relieve a headache. But, the first part is breaking the commandment, which the legal system follows, "Thou shall not kill."

 

All cultures have strong prohibitions against killing. However cultures approve of killing in time of war or in defense against a life-threatening attack. The Fifth Commandment (Sixth for Roman Catholics) states simply "Thou shalt not kill." However, there are 62 verses in the Bible calling for killing as a punishment for approximately 30 various transgressions.


Attempted suicide has been legal in Canada since 1972, when Parliament removed it from the Criminal Code. Because suicide is not a criminal offence, so the argument goes, people are at liberty to end their lives. A denial of such a liberty or right, simply because one physically cannot commit suicide, may violate one's personal dignity and deprive that person of a choice that others may enjoy. The point to be made is that the ban on assisted suicide is discriminatory, and therefore denies an individual the right to equality guaranteed by Section 15 of the Charter.

 

I was just saying that the legal system uses this code, it was unnecessary to state that it's flawed, Neph. It is strictly put in the criminal code that no one can kill another for any reason.

Sue Rodriguez attempted to use Section 15 of the Charter, as well as section 7**.

The court must have used section 1 of the criminal code to justify their reasoning for not allowing Sue Rodriguez this right. One of the crown lawyers argued that "if assisted suicide for the disabled was accepted, people would be expected to commit suicide at a certain stage in their illness."

As well, according to the judges of this case, "An individual's right to a dignified death does not override the sanctity of life under the law. In other words, the infringement was reasonable and necessary to protect the weak of society." So, in other words Sue lost this right in order to protect those with disabilities...

And the same case goes for the elderly.

**Section 7 says that all Canadians have the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Section 15 says a person should not be discriminated against based on disability.

Section 1 - "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

 

Euthanasia by definition is voluntary.

So now that the 'it'd be expected' part of your argument is weeded out, what now?

Oh, and as for 'the sanctity of life overruling dignity of death', personally I feel thats bullocks. The right to life is not simply a right to exist, its a right to life with at least a minimum level of quality. And isn't it also respectful and compassionate to spare another pain?


Edit: And just because a law makes something so, does not mean it is right. Remember when kids were legally allowed to work in coal mines?

 

As Easter fast approaches, I'm not surprised this question came up. I do think it's an important question and it needs to be addressed!

Suicide is never really right. Self-sacrifice, for others such as what Jesus did, is not 'all right' in my view, but noble, courageous and very sad. I'm personally in love with a Rock Opera called 'Jesus Christ Superstar', which deals with this stuff. It is just so cool! You guys should check it out.

It helped me accept Judas. He was grief-stricken, and those thirty pieces of silver? He never had a chance to spend them. He took his own life because he realized he killed the Son of God.

This is the sort of suicide I don't approve of. It isn't noble or anything, but everyone wouldn't be able to accept what Judas had done, even if it was part of a greater plan, had he survived.

Suicide itself is terrible, and never justifiable, but I think we all agree self-sacrifice is not 'good', but brave and noble.

Just a few thoughts. I don't want to throw all this legal jargon at you.

 

You gotta admit, Judas had guts.

Jesus
-Necessary for death of Jesus and forgiveness of all man's sins
-Yielded to will of more powerful being (God)
-Died on cross, was resurrected, went to heaven.
-Killed by Jews
-Suffered three hours, went to Hell for three days, went to heaven

Judas
-Necessary for death of Jesus and forgiveness of all man's sins
-Stood up to and betrayed more powerful being (Jesus)
-Died by hanging (Matthew 27:3-8), apparently resurrected, died by being burst open (Acts 1:16-19), went to hell.
-Willfully killed self as sacrifice
-Suffered two distinct deaths, went to hell for all eternity


Edit: Please note that this is a joke from what would judas do.

 

I tried it once.
I'm still horribly ashamed of my cowardice. I thought I coulnd't bear life. It was just a damned stupid thing. The upside is, I find life a whole hell of a lot more precious and worthwhile.
Suicide in itself has one use: to protect others. It is properly an act of selflessness, love and pride. Those who use it for their own benefit are cowards. If there were someone who would die if I did not give my life for them, I would not hesitate to do what needed to be done. If I were about to be captured on the field, there would be nothing to do but avoid capture. But if my life sucked? So WHAT! CHANGE IT! It's an issue of taking charge of yourself, rather than letting the crappiness of the world get you down. You have to see the better side of things, but that takes work.