Recreation Is sucide ever justifiable:)

I'll jump in here & express the same opinion for i have, but then i thought two things;
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1) The domino effect of my death... for my gran died half a year before i started feeling that way & one relative tried to kill himself... so if i killed myself he would attempt again & maybe succeed this time... i didnt want that to happen for my actions.
2) Why should i hurt/punish myself for the actions/opinions of others towards me... why not inflict the pain back at them. **** them, i wont let them beat me.
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Ok, on the negative side the second idea led to me being "Kinda" violent for awhile, but meh, im still alive & remotely sain now. & now, well unless it is a damn good reason (Like the ones Neph & eleeSleknuD were trying to find common ground with) i say **** them, if they wish to kill themselves for life is crap, then let then... im busy living life. (Let me re-emphasis at this point that i said "REMOTELY sain" & that is all)

 

So the majority of you here are against mass suicide that's too bad (JK) I think that it is ultimatly pointless to kill your self do to the fact that you'll die anyway. And you might as will take lifes **** and not care for now right? but that means nothing really matters? if you don't care about what lifes doing to you aren't you leading a pointless existance anyway? (WELL DAMN!) you would be missing the anime and video games you enjoy now!


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Then there's another way of looking at it hehehe... it IS pointless to kill your self, pay me and I'll do it for you

 

Okay, going to a catholic school and all, I have to hear day in and day out about the EVILS of abortion, suicide, assissted suicide, ect.
Then they tell us God gave us a free will to do whatever we want. I think what he meant by "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" is don't kill another human being other than yourself.
I figure the God up there gave us the free will to do whatever we want, so we can commit suicide if we want, assisst someone if they're termanilly ill (I myself can't stand to see sick people suffer. If I could I'd put them out of their misery.) and we can have the bloody abortion if we want.
Call me a sick twisted psycho if you want, but I fight for these causes. It's our life, we'll end it when we bloody want to. And as for abortions, the world is already overpopulated...
What if YOU were a woman (if you are, great.) and somebody raped you or forced you to have a child? Wouldn't you want to not have the child. I sure as hell wouldn't.
As for self-sacrifice, that's pretty damn noble.

 

Suicide is just taking the easier route to take in life. Would you want to keep running away from your problems and responsibility instead of facing them? Is it better to stand up for yourself or try to instead of moaning about why you did not do in the past? Suicide is never the solution to your problems, a coward thinks that way and you my friend are one.

About the topic of Euthanasia, my firm belief is that a person should not assist anyone even though he or she begged to be killed because they feel lonely or depressed. Instead of staining your hands with a sinful crime, you should stand at the person’s side. Aid that person by talking with him/her or help them in anyway you see fit, but again ‘murder’ is not the answer.

Mad_Hamish, you have your own opinion and I have mine, but do you really think that we should shut up and not say a word because everyone is in charge of their own life and there is no room for advice and guidance. How would you feel if you’re friend or brother committed suicide? I would feel guilt for not realizing the pain that person is in.


Life is short, so why make it more shorter ?

 

Advice and guidance? I'd offer to any friend who told me they were suicidal, but the final descion is there's and almost impossible to stop. If people don't want help you can't force it on them. In the end you just have to trust that person with the descion. And although I've never had to make it I imagine the descion to kill yourself isn't an easy one.

Yes we all have our opinions, I just think putting people down by calling them week and wimps for comtemplating or attempting suicide is no better than mocking and name calling.

If your friend or brother killed themselves would you loose all respect for her/him and forever remeber her/him as a coward?

Sure life is short and I sure as hell wouldn't want mine to be any shorter but maybe some people just don't like the life they have and can't or aren't able to to change it.

 

I think suicide is for people who believe they have no hope left. obviously they didnt since they killed themselves. Everyone has problems .... at some time or another... it just depends how you deal with the situation. Somewhere in this world someone does care about you... whether you like it or not!! I believe if everyone tried to see the best in ever situation... they can get through almost anything!

 

I share Cosmos' opinion. I would know about this suicide thing cuz there's a girl in my school who has those problems and I try to help her but nothing really works. I guess if she had a family that paid more attention to her- But some can't be that blessed.

 

if someone wants to commit suicide because of life pressures like the need of money or the loose of someone he/she loves or anything that makes a person hats his/her life, we should try our best to convince him/her that theirs still hope in living, I mean nobody’s life is easy..
my grandfather toled me that the life is like a road ,there are always stones in the way but as much as the road gets harder in the beginning remember the end will be much better, there are always happiness in the end of the road..
troubles makes people stronger & more mature, but some people are sensitive & weak they cant handle what they face so the choose to end the sorrow by killing them selves...everyone thinks that there is no problem bigger than his/her but think of all the people in the world there’s must be somone somewhere who face’s the same or maybe a bigger problem & still he/she have hope & the will to live..
if a person choose to die and he/she kills him/her self i'll just feel sorry for all what he/she is going to miss in life ..

and for the people who sacrifice them selves for other peoples life i think that they are brave and that we should respect them..

and that’s my opinion ..

 

I remember once I was feeling a bit suicidal myself, not sure if it was suicidal but more like "would anyone care if I died" type thing. So, I went to my parents and talked to them about it and they got really ticked off at me and told me that there are so many people who are suffering in this world, even those who are dying of cancer and wish that they could live the life I am living now. So I guess their point was not to be so self centered and think of others lives before my own...

 

i think you shouldnt care about othere poeple problems just think about yourslef cause who is going to be with you in that coffin noone..you one really cares about you.your just a memory..i bet you if you died i say in about5 mounths that is it everyone forgets you.just a memory.and everything happens for a reason everyone is not supposed to live a good life>>>>>>>>>>>>>im living in a bad dream i can never wake up from.....sad for me.one day i will wake up

 

plus its the circle of life .you need poeple to die or esle there are to many poeple on earth come 1 person out of 6,000,000,000
where am i in that number

 

Suicide attempts are people crying out for help or attention. People who try to commit suicide don't really wanna die, apparently, but don't see a way out of the current bad situation they're in. I think if someone *really* wanted to die, then they'd just do it and not tell anyone. I mean, honestly, you know the automatic reaction of anyone when you say "I want to kill myself" is to talk you out of it. Anyway, that's my opinion. I agree with Mad_Hamish.

 

i agree with k0gepAn_LuFF3r its either they want attention or they just cant solve there problem ..it is mostly how youplay the game of life...

 

I'm not really sure if its justifiable though. I mean so many people have different situations and live in different kinds of life styles. I do think that it is "Noble" in some cases but in other cases I think that the person that does commit suicide comes from a difficult environment that they find hard to live in.

I mean like if someone were to commit suicide because they had a bad week or day or somwthing just trigerd in their head saying that there was no reason to live anymore...I think its kind of selfish. Mostly people that do kill themselves don't think about other people or family and how that might impact them, you know what I mean. The just think that no one will care when that is totaly not the case because there is always someone who will care and there will always be someone hurt by a persons selfish choice.

I think to commit suicide is a very strong and painfull choice for human beings. I also think that there does come a point in people's lives when they just ask themselves, 'should I just end it now?', but there are only certain amounts of people that can actually go through with it. There is so much that goes through the mind when under a circumstance like that.

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~Washu

 

:catgirl: Indeed that is true, and has helped others that have tried to do it once or numerous times. And because of having wonderful friends like here Cosmos.

And yes even a cry for help =/ Just like what most said, some people may feel they have tried their best and there is nothing else, no one else that can help them. Some people cant handle even the slightest pain of stress and or depression. People in their own communties don't make this any better when they slag and make fun of people with problems, so they turn to what they think is the best way. So its suicide, going to end it. Or even making it look the act. And I even just seen a kid, who seemed troubled, but looked like everyone going thru everyday problems. Then next as you see, he took himself with a rifle and blew his brains out. There was no way he prolly could miss, and he took his life. Its pretty sad when a person feel like thats their last resort. But as awful it may be to some, it is their decision, whether friends and or family like it or not. You can't protect everyone. =/

There isn't a problem with thinking about others problems. What if some of the greats didn't think of other peoples problems. So much awful stuff that happened in the past could be in effect for today. Sure the world isn't ended of racism, but at least people who thought it isnt sane to treat people like that stood up for it, and help ease the problem, and sure you can't hold a persons hand throughtout life, but it is nice when you have someone to help you out at times, because it is a relief. But also you don't have to wear yourself out, because you can't help everybody and thats when it goes to far. No one isn't going to be in your coffin, but you woulnd't be there if you had someone who cared and helped you in the first place.

 

If you knew the real me, you would know that I despise those people that bullies others. I start my relationship with others on trust and respect, but I will lose my respect to them if they lost their respect to god. Suicide is a sin, which god does not approve of. He gave us life filled with opportunities and placed it into our hands, but what we do with this valuable thing? We toss it out of the window.

Life is not a utopia, its life!

 

I was absolutely serious about going home and blowing my head off. It was the advice of another that changed my mind. Give credit to people's effect on one another, man. We are NOT in this thing alone.

 

Egh, I'm a bit late in the topic, but I might as well voice my opinion.

The only time I would ever consider suicide as justifiable is when it done to save the lives of other human beings. Much like Neph's example very early on in the topic, if a soldier is captured in wartime and they know that the enemy could exploit them and their knowledge as a means to kill others, their suicide is done to save life. If a soldier falls onto a grenade to save the lives of five other comrades around him or her, the taking of their own life is not immoral. I won't get into every single other case where suicide is never justifiable, since everyone else seems to agree on that issue.

I disagree with Neph, however, on euthenasia. Even when a situation may seem hopeless, and a person is in what seems to be endless pain that cannot be stopped, good can still come from the life of that person, EVEN if that person desires for their life to end. Life is nothing but probabilities - there is always a possibility that a person near death has something more, however little, to contribute to the world.

I'm going to quote a passage from the book, "Bright Lights, Big City" by Jay McInerney. Euthenasia is not really a topic of the book, but there is a certain part that I find relevant. The protagonist, only addressed as "you," is at the bedside of his dying mother in a hospital. This is a flashback in the book. It's not difficult to read, and I don't find it necessary to have read any other parts of the book to understand this. Yes, I realize that the mother does not desire to die, but I still find it relevant since the son wants to give her one last shot of morphine:

- - - - - -

You talked about your first day of school. You cried and clutched her leg. You even remembered how her plaid slacks felt, the scratchiness on your cheek. She sent you off to the bus - she interrupted here to say she wasn't much happier than you were - and you hid in the woods until you saw the bus leave and then went home and told her you had missed it. So Mom drove you to school, and by the time you got there you were an hour late. Everybody watched you come in with your little note, and heard you explain that you missed the bus. When you finally sat down you knew that you would never catch up.

"Don't you think everyone feels a little lke that?" Then Mom told you she knew all along about the hot-water-on-the-thermometer trick, but let you pretend you were sick whenever you really seemed to need it. "You were a funny boy. An awful baby. A real screamer." Then she grimaced and for a moment you thought it was the memory of your screaming.

You asked her if she wanted the morphine and she said not yet. She wantd to talk, to be clear.

The window behind the headboard showed a glimmer of gray. In the other rooms your three brothers, your father, and your Aunt Nora were sleeping. Amanda [the protagonist's wife] was in New York.

"Was I worse than Michael and the twins?"

"Much worse." She smiled as if she had just conferred a great distinction upon you. "Much, much worse." The smile twisted into a grimace and she clutched the sheet in her fingers.

You begged to give her some morphine. The spasm spassed and you saw her body relax.

"Not yet, she said.

She told you how unbearable you were as an infant, always throwing up, biting, crying through the night. 'you've never been much good at sleeping, have you? Some nights we had to take you out in the car and drive around to get you to sleep." She seemed pleased. "You were something else."

She winced again and groaned. "Hold my hand," she said. You gave her your hand and she gripped it harder than you would have imagined she could. "The pain," she said.

"Please let me give you that shot."

You couldn't satnd to see her suffer much longer, felt you were about to collapse. But she told you to wait.

"Do you know wahat this is like?" She asid. "This pain?"

You shook your head. She didn't answer for a while. You heard the first bird of morning.

"It's like when you were born. It sounds crazy, but that's exactly what it's like."

"It hurt that much?"

"Terrible," she said. "You just didn't want to come out. I didn't think I'd live through it." She sucked breath through her teeth and gripped your hand fiercely. "So now you know why I love you so much." You were not sure you understood, but her voice was so faint and dreamy that you didn't want to interrupt. You held her hand and watched her eyelids flicker, hoping she was dreaming. Birds were calling on all sides. You didn't think you had ever heard so many birds.

In a little while she started to talk again. She described a morning in a two-room apartment over a garage in Manchester, New Hampshire. 'I was standing in front of a mirror as if I'd never really seen my own face before." You had to lean down close to hear. "I felt strange. I knew something had happened, but I didn't know what."

She drifted off. Her eyes were half-open but you could see she was looking somewhere else. The bedroom window was filling with light.

"Dad," she said. "What are you doing here?"

"Mom?"

She was silent for a time and then, suddenly, her eyes were wide open. Her grip relaxed. "The pain is going away," she said.

You said that was good. The light seemed to have entered the room all at once.

"Are you still holding my hand," she asked.

"Yes. I am."

"Good," she said. "Don't let go."

- - - - - -

-Odin

 

Suicide is only justifiable if you're about to die in a horribly painful way anyway. Like if you're gonna get captured and tortured to death in a war or if a bunch of wolves are about to eat you alive and you only have one bullet left. In normal circumstances, it is unacceptable.