Debate The ages old question: Ninjas vrs Pirates

So, which are better?

Ninja:

Pros -

Flip out and kill people
Sneaky-sneaky
Dresses all in black
Uses poison and other silent assassination methods
Know wacky martial arts and creepy ninja magics

Cons -

Must follow orders or commit seppuku
Strong code of honor
Not well armored
Always working for a Master

Pirates:

Pros -

Drink lots
Loot and pillage
Hide treasure
Good at fighting
Sail the open seas
Big ships with big cannon
Fly the Jolly Roger

Cons -

Often hungover
Hunted by many naval forces
Forget where treasure is buried
Not very sneaky

So, chime your opinions in, people!

 

If you really want to get technical, in certain animes and legends there are ninjas which move quicker than the eye can see. Now Im not proposing that ninjas have FTL speed, or even move at a rate equal to C, but no way could a pirate, live or undead, take on something it cant track.

That's what someone in the chatroom said and I agree with it.

 

Yes, but remember that Ninjas are solitary animals, while Pirates travel in herds, which evens the odds a bit.

Also, a ninja would only have to move fast enough to escape the frame within 1/30 of a second, as that is the speed of a standard shutter on a camera. Now, while this would mean the Ninja is, indeed, moving extremely fast, it would not necessitate that he is, per se, moving faster than the eye can see. Merely faster than the camera can film.

- Ark

 

Even though they're not there, I vote
Vikings.

Pirates are just Viking fanboys(talk about ripping off someones style).

And a Viking would crush a puny little ninja under his mighty beard and then have his way with the ninja's woman.

 

Ninjas and Vikings can't compete with a mighty cannon blast from a pirate ship!
Pirates get to say cool things like "Avast!", "Scurvy scallywag!", "keel haul", and "fo'c'stle hands". What do ninjas get? Nothing! They just speak plain old Japanese!
How about names? Pirates get fun things like "Long John Silver", "Black Beard", "Israel Hands", "Billy Bones", and, of course, "Monkey D. Luffy". Ninja names are a little bland and overused. Pirate nicknames always have some significance behind them because they are usually given by the pirate's companions.
Ninjas win in the weapons department. All pirates get is a cutless, a musket, a few cannons, and maybe a falchion or two. Ninjas get an array of swords and throwing devices, plus, "caltrop" is always a fun word to say.
Who ever heard of a "space ninja"? Pirates fit well into any setting, past, present or future. As long as there is treasure to plunder and villages to be pillaged, there will be pirates!

Overall, ninjas are cool, but if you consider the fact that all the cool superpowers comics and anime give them didn't actually exist, the choice is clear, and pirates sail away with the victory.

"Fifteen men on a dead man's chest!
Yo-ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Drink and the devil had done for the rest!
Yo-ho ho and a bottle of rum ..."

Now sing me a ninja song.

 

BOW TO YOUR ROBOT OVERLORDS

 

Okay, now sing me a robot song.

 

Ninjas... Stealth is my top priority when you are hunting a victim. And those ninja discs are descreetly deadly. My sort of stuff ^^

 

ninjas rule!!

 

And you fight LIEK A COW!


Monkey Island rules.

Also, so I'm contributing:


HARRRRRR!

 

i like the throwing knives *plays with a ninja star* i like the stars too...

 

Avast, me harties! Ye'll be walkin' the plank if yer ninjas lose this debate, that is if I don't keel haul ye farst!

Sure, ninjas could kill stuff, but only stuff that's caught off-guard. In a straight fight, good luck hitting someone with a shuriken. A musket'll take you down any day.
Besides, pirates didn't just kill stuff. They took whatever they wanted, and did whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. They answered to no one. Not like ninjas and there silly "die for your government" mentality.
Look at modes of transportation. Ninjas had to walk places, or maybe hitch a ride with someone. Pirates got galleons, longboats, schooners, and whatever else they could hijack.
Ninjas were not a very diverse group. They were all Japanese. Pirates were British, French, Spanish, Italian, Turkish, whatever. If you could swing an oar or swing a cutlass, you could be a pirate, regardless of nationality.
And, of course, let's look at literature. Pirates have gone down in literature as classics, such as Treasure Island. Ninjas are what? Comic books?

 

The best thing about ninjas, which didn't really exist in pirates or other groups, is nationalism. Which is why I associate with them to a quasi non-existant, but still present, extent. They fought FOR something. They actually fought for the most important thing in anyone's life, whether they acknowledge it or not...

They were also pure. The fact that they were all Japanese is a good thing.

Novus, Stalin has gone down in a lot of books too. That makes him...

 

*finishes sasuke_aoshi's sentence*.....a pirate!! *throws a shuriken at a stalin pic* right in the nose! *sees everyone staring at her* what? its target practice!

 

A genius?

Stalin was a very intelligent, if misguided man. He did a lot of very bad things, but then what historical persona didn't? History is built by the major players, and their mistakes and the disasters they cause.

Infamy lasts longer than fame. Name three famous ninjas. I can name several renowned pirates, i.e. Black Beard, Captain Kidd, Blue Beard ... those were all real people, too. Don't even get me started on the fictional ones.

Ninjas couldn't have been "pure". They killed people for a living. It's not like they sold flowers and donated the proceeds to help sick kids. And pirates fought for something. They fought for treasure, and to a certain extent, freedom. The trouble was, of course, that once you turned to piracy, you were stuck with it because you'd have all of the British Navy and the Spanish Armada after you soon enough.

A pirate got to see the world. A ninja got to see ONE COUNTRY!

 

you often make verrrry good points bms. i have to agree with you on everything

 

ninjas or pirates? ninjas or pirates? i've got it...Ninja Pirates

 

I'd prefer pledging my loyalty to a single nation then seeing the whole world.