OMG OMG OMG WOW, Aristotle, Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, Einstein, Hawking ARE HERE?!?!?!?!?!... what?... no? then what the hells your point? What we have ~Here~ *Points to forum* is children, college/university students, general working people. Using snippets from all those hard working folk to peice together some proof that they seek to make there opinion valid, i saw it all the time in Modern studies back in school, twisting the words/ taking extracts to there own advantage, so what we have here is nothing more than stubborn folk. So bloody sorry i couldnt say that when drunk... it tends to happen Your asking me to be serious & yet out of all these arguements... you pick the drunk person point of veiw, uh yeah *Rolls eyes* Anyways...
I think that humans created god. When Youre living in a world were theres hardly any hope, you need somebody or something to make you get that sense of hope back. Thus came the belief of god. Its an elaborate plan to make the world a better place.
Maybe humens did created God, but be belieaving that God is real maybe he came to be. you know like when you beleave in some-thing so much it became real, or some like that.
... that doesn't bode well for me.. those things I saw last night in my dreams looked pretty believeable
But isnt anything, that someone believes in, real? Its real to you if you believe its real. Eventhough it may not be real to others. o_o :dizzy2:
No its not really, some thing is ether real or not. If i belived that the earth is run by an Purple Monkey it doesnt make it true.
Well that not exactly what I ment, maybe not ever thing someone beleaves in is real. But maybe it take 1000s of people to beleave in one thing for it to be real. Maybe by 1000s of people beleaving in a higher being or beings they came to be. More like we created God or 'Gods' for matter insted of them creating us.
how can that be when, okay say 1000 people believe that the world will end ...now, see its not real so tell me this, how will that reason alone help in this discusion we are talking about if god exists there has to be facts and evidence to back that up i dont think that because 1000's of people think up and ideal and believe in it that "poof" its there, out of nothing but thoughts. unless those people were some sort of super force, no i dont believe it, sorry. we created god or god's which means that an ideal was formed and that spread so more people came to have that ideal in their minds and so stories were formed and that got people to believe in it, IN THEIR MINDS that my rant for now sorry if it does not make sense^_^;; im fried today :dizzy2:
Sorry if that affened you, I never said I beleave that I just ment it as a thought, I'm open to any thing. And as I said before I'm Shinto so I don't beleave what I said in my last post, really.
I think that you just proved Jaken right. For instance, if someone believes that god is real its obvious that he/she thinks that god is real. ( im just repeating myself) I bet that if you really believed that purple monkeys ruled the earth you would actually believe there are purple mokeys. Im going off topic here, but i remember reading an article that says that quantim physicians believe the everything is a hologram yes our life may be a hologram. LOL
Okay my Darling I looked at your link at that is what I said or the second half of it anyway. The Science book I have at school Itself has a completely derenged explination of the Big Bang. Yet It did start with H & He Then what your pretty little link just showed what happened AFTER THESE TWO ELEMENTS CAME TOGETHER. Yes they are they pull other elements towards them even though they themselves hold no matter in them. Who are you to question my scientific knowledge. From this whole so called "Debate" all you have been doing is bashing ever point I just said. Therefore you my Good Sir are the one bringing ABSOLUTLY NO INFORMATION INTO THIS DEBATE I agree that buddhism has more sense then most. Yet what sense does it make when a man goes hungary for 40 days (or a longtime) with no food to reach spiritual enlightenment. And the Bible was re-written in the Middle ages by old white biggatory men so I seriously suggest you don't take it seriously but if you do Your wear cotton & nylon at the same time that's two materials at once *gasp* you sinner
Okay, I'll use Stephen Hawking to explain how the Big Bang came to be. He's a credible source, since he is one of the forerunners of science. 10^-43 seconds and before: Laws of Physics unknown. 10^-43 seconds: Grand Unified Theory in effect; no forces or energies or matter is separate. 10^-10 seconds: Formation of protons, neutrons and mesons. 1 second: Protons and neutrons bind together as nuclei to form Hydrogen, Helium, and Deuterium. What that means is that there was no form of any of these atoms until a second after the Big Bang. Definition of a vacuum: a void containing no matter. Definition of a black hole: The collapsed remnants of a star, containing mass compressed to a small enough volume to create a large enough gravitational well that light cannot escape once beyond the event horizon. "Bashing" is revealing the truth behind what you say. It is to help his side of the argument and is a good method of debate. What you just used here is a rhetorical flaw called ad hominem, which calls the person making the argument into question. It is not a good method of debate, and is often seen as a deterent of your own ethos. Actually, there's proof in multiple places that the Bible was written around the time it happened except for the Pentateuch, or the first five books. Those were written at a time before the historical books, but after the "events" took place. In other words, after the time period it was said that they happened. The re-writing is mostly the King James version, and it was written so people of the time could understand it without a PhD in Latin. Buddhism rarely mentions fasting as a method of achieving enlightenment, to my knowledge. Though it mentions that Sidhartha Gautama did fast for a short while to collect his thoughts. And I really have no idea what the whole cloth thing was about. Basically, just so you know, Neph tends to play the part of Devil's Advocate. He states his side, and often calls into question people's arguments from his own side. It's just a way to get people to debate intelligently and form their own opinions.
Baph fielded this for me. ...Uh, no. Using that definition, the Earth is a vacuum because it too can draw matter towards it via gravity. Someone who has more than you, obviously. Aside from links, scientific fact and logic... If you took a look at some of my other posts about the Bible you'd realize I've pulled out that quote before along with plenty of other damning things about it. Edit: Though Baph, Bookworm is right about there being some rewritings of parts of the Bible. But thats about all she's right about.
Bookwoom, as with all your posts, you're totally misinformed on... it seems mostly everything... Sidhartha fasted, as his teachers told him to, and *didn't* recieve enlightenment. Thus, he realised that it was pointless to refuse the body what it needed, and after a while created the four noble truths and the eightfold path as the way to nirvana.
Then are you comfortable with worshipping a hypocritical mass murderer? If the Bible is literally true, then that is what God is, regardless of "justification". I won't get into the scientific errors because they're extremely numerous, but contradictions and lack of morality is alarming.
Well, I'm not going to even start on the previous conversation, so I'll just give my opinion. I am really quite skeptical as to whether or not God exists. I, like a lot of people, was brought up believing that God does in fact exist. But now that I think about it, God and Heaven could just be what people want to hear. I think that, if a "god" does not exist, which is what I'm currently leaning towards, that the church just made this up to keep people from getting too worried regarding death and hate. I'm looking towards more eastern religions, like Buddhism and Hinduism as a better candidate....I may just stay a Christian or become an atheist. But that will take some time to think about.
