Well, since this thread started while I was away, I know I've not had a chance to post here. This is just my opinion. If I'm wrong, well, I guess I'm going to Hell. I personally do not believe that God exists. If there was a God, my personal belief system puts him as a Physics lover. The way I see it, if God existed, he/she/whatever created the physical properties of the Universe, then went away to let things fall as they may. Perhaps this is an "experiment" of sorts. In this frame of reference, God would be responsible for having created everything, technically, but would not have been able to change it. However, that is my "If God exists" thought, and, as I said earlier, my current thought is that he/she/whatever does not.
heh....same here, my sister(Amara Emeryth) and I are both pegan!! ^__^ So yah I belive that there are two gods... Misao
For those who don't beleve in god does that mean that you don't beleive in the devil either (no, i'm not a Satanist). So do you belive that all the evil people in the world will not be punished for their horrable crimes when they die. Thats the part that scares me the most about dying. Wether i'll be going to heaven or hell.
Look, we were created by something so that 'something' must exist...arguments about the existance of good/evil and the devil bring up more divergent opinions. But really, its incredible how anything-the solid, 'real' world around us, our thoughts and dreams-exists...and how did God get here? Who made existance itself?
no i dont believe in the Devil ...maybe thats because im wiccan but that does not mean that the people who have done terrible things will go unpunished yes they will be punished in the afterlife
Actually, i have asked that question before, and found out that (from a friend), it says somewhere in the bible that, god always forgives you for your crimes and allows all into heaven. But there is some story about a fallen angel who disagreed with god and so he takes advantage of the week souls, who are people who have sined alot, and takes them into hell, as revenge toward god. And the fallen angel recieved the name as the devil, diablo, Satin, or whatever. Or somthing like that. . . . :sweat2: I dont really remeber the story to well. . . .-_-;;;;
Jaken: Just as an aid, that story is also told in Paradise Lost, by John Milton. One of the greatest epics I've read, personally.
I'm a Christian, so yes, I do believe that God exists, and I do believe that Jesus is the Savior. I'll always believe. No matter what anyone says.
"I'm a Christian, so yes, I do believe that God exists, and I do believe that Jesus is the Savior. I'll always believe. No matter what anyone says." I hope you don't mind me asking this, Star Princess, but why? What makes you so positive that what you believe in is correct? Have you been taught that since childhood by your parents and/or church? Have you ever had the tiniest bit of doubt that things might not be as you think they are? Just to be clear, I'm not attacking your views in any way. I'm just curious to know how you can be so resolute in your beliefs - Sometimes I wish I could have unwavering confidence in what I believe as well.
Hypothetical situation - Jesus himself appears and says that either Judaism or Islam or Buddhism or whatever is the right choice. Do you still always believe, no matter what he said?
Sorry but i'm going to enlighten the "believers" and all the fact I will state have all been personally observed by myself. 1. You cannot believe the Bible because for thousands of years it has been rewritten by White Biggatory Males. hence the "if a man shall ly in bed with a man may there blood be shed by gods wrath" 2. It has been proven by science that "god" cannot exist. "god" is said to be settled in the fourth demention. There is a mathematical calculation to prove that the fourth dimension was a theory and DOES NOT EXIST. Therefore neither do goasts. Ghosts are made by an over reaction of static electricity. 3. Mary was a lier!! (okay so not proven fact) but my theory is that she lied about being a virgin so she wouldn't be shunned (which was very common) 4. Plus the main reason for all religion is to make people un afraid of death (challenge me if you dare!!!!! muahhahahahahaaaaa)
I'm sorry for posting again but once realizing how many people believe "god" created people I had to make another one. oh my gawd do you people actually believe that a sprirt made the human race? (don't answer that) Let me tell you about the Big Band. one Helium atom and one Hydrogen atom came together and rubbed against each other creating static electricity AGAST a huge bang gases started forming together and getting push together with LOTS of pressure. that explains Stars, planets, galaxies, asteroids, and so on now onto living organisims. Elements startes connecting together like Oxygen and Hydrogen, with the moisture from water LIVING organisms began to grow evolving after they created the atmosphere. and after 4 billion years human were born NOT 7 DAYS give me a break this is too ridiculous
This should be good. And how does this prove that the Bible isn't the truth? How the heck do you KNOW that if God exists that he isn't prejudiced against homosexuals? For all we know every single dead homosexual is in Hell right now; neither you or I can prove otherwise. Interesting...You say it's been proven, yet you don't provide a single link, formula, fact or even quote. ...And what does this say? You've admitted that it's a theory, but since you can't prove it why should anyone take it seriously? Got any stats to prove this? If not, you just sound silly saying it. I am, and I'm enjoying dismantling your two mini-rants. You are aware that 88 percent of Americans believe in Heaven and 69 have absolutely no doubt in their minds that God exists, right? And unlike you, I can provide a link to back it up: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/wat/archive/wat042400.htm It's a few years old, but I doubt we've all gone atheistic since the survey was conducted. I don't have to - You make yourself look ridiculous enough just by refusing to even consider it. I assume you mean the Big BANG. And like much of science, it's a theory. That means that it MIGHT not be how things happened. Ever consider that? Hmm...No quotes, no links, no stats, no formulas, just you saying what you believe. Bookworm, if you read the beginning of this thread you'd know that I'm an agnostic, so I have my own doubts about God. It's just that there's an intelligent and respectful way to go about debating, and then there's your way.
Im a athiest by the way just before I start this. Right to be honest you’re being incredibly ignorant. I don’t believe that god exists in any form or being, but claiming to "enlighten" people who think differently from you is just egotistical. And claiming that you opinion is fact is just plain stupidity. So your saying that because a book has been rewritten, by people that you can’t actually prove that where "white bigotry males", over the years is false right? So by that logic all the text books in the world that have ever been revised are wrong. Also cultures change, homosexuality has been outlawed and excepted many many times over the years, this is nothing new. When did the catholic church claim that there god existed in the fourth dimension? You can’t start making stuff up about other peoples believes, you can only do that about your own. Most Religious types seem to be settled with on "another plane of existence" which would seem to mean that they believe it is out side our sphere of comprehension. Therefore, your point is wrong. Yes your quite right, that isnt proven fact. She could have very well lied, but then again, only one man would know that for sure, her husband. I'd like to see you prove this one. Dare?! Please.
By the way, it’s the Big Bang, not band. And this is a theory, not a fact; it is in fact a much disputed theory in between physicists. And seen as it’s a theory and is infect improvable with out time travel (don’t get me started on that) it is in fact comparable to the christens believe in god. Now ive done quite enough damnage to my own side (not that i would ever consider someone like you on my side) for now.
And the race is on yeah!!!! Yes there is calculation, but I do not have a link because I got it from a university professor, on paper meaning I'd have to scan it but my scanners broken. Yes "enlighten" may not have been the best word to use but to f***ing bad. About the people who have rewritten the bible, and translated, it was poorly written and brutaly masacered. Now lets give an example. If George W. Bush Jr. was to rewrite the childrens story "Heather has two mommy's" I think he'd put on a "straight" forward perspective YES IT IS MY THEORY AND A B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E ONE. so don't believe it if you don't want to but if people asked my if I was a virgin at 16 i would want to say "yes" okay I'm sorry I do not read the washington post i read the NATIONAL post, I'm Canadian, yes there is a large amount of christians up here. Yet those people are the voting population. And I've questioned over 150+ on this subject under the age of 21- and 15 of them believed in god and two were wiccans 2 were budhist and 1 was something else (it as a uncommon religion) oh way and 5 worship the dark lady
Yeah, well, I found a secret message in my alpha-bits cereal today, I have no picture but I assure you it was a good source. I won't name him or even the employer of this source, but trust me it was good. Edit: ...Anybody else question the wisdom of a professor who gives an equation like that to a child instead of to colleagues and scientific journals? It isn't YOUR theory. Get news from several sources, not just one. In addition to the CBC, and Globe & Mail, I also check the BBC and some American news as well. So? I care why? EDIT: By the way, your understanding of the big bang theory and how it kicked off is pretty bad.
Whoa, dudeses. Faith and religion are just that: faith. If someone said that their religion was based on a frog jumping out of a bush and reciting Shakespeare every third Tuesday of the month, I'd think they were odd, but I'd respect the fact that it's what they believe. I personally believe, as I said before, that if God exists, he did a lot of physics. I would like to know where the claim about God being in the fourth dimension came from. Do you know what a dimension is? No, it's not a seperate place or time. The fourth dimension is time. Did it also not occur that, perhaps, the Big Bang was initiated by a God, or at least an intelligent being, thus making it the "creator"? Hypothetical for me, tbh, but nonetheless, the point still stands. The Big Bang did not start by static electricity, nor did it originate from two atoms. Do you know any physics? No matter existed at all before, except at a singularity, or point. Without matter, there is no energy, and without that, there is no static electricity. We scientists (yes, we, I am one) have yet to truly explain the Big Bang phenomenon because of this. Also, again, where would all the physical and chemical properties come from? What makes us sentient? Why are we able to comprehend? These questions are why religion and faith exist. Truly, even science is a religion. Each branch has its own "God", if you will. You cannot completely denounce faith until we KNOW everything, not just think we do.
I'm sorry if you people don't like what I say but I BELIEVE in the stuff I have FAITH that these things happened. and if my theory of Mary not being a virgin wasn't mine then so be it. I had that thought on my own with no help alright? I have beliefs even though I am an atheist. 1) gay and lesbian rights 2) animal rights 3) anarchy and the calculation is EVERYWHERE I have exams to study for so look them up yourself, The Simpsons even proclaimed the page mon dou que ce que arrive dans cette age? and you people do really believe in your "god" do quidos on your faith. (even though it has been proven wrong)
