Debate The Banning Thread (formerly NephX's Ban)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Roffey, Jul 7, 2003.

  1. Kami

    Kami New Member

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    I think that this debate is now over. I mean there's nothing left to say other than we miss him. Neph I know you can see this post so come back to us.
     
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  2. BakaMattSu

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    Here we go. I just wasted a few hours of my life sourcing this for all you Neph supporters. Enjoy - I've likely missed a lot as I only skimmed.

    Take careful notice of the multiple warnings Nephilim_X received on-board. As his PM box is private, I have no idea how many direct warnings he received.

    Also note that whatever webspace he kept all his many SPAM images on is also no longer in working order - one of the inherrent wasteful voids such activity produces...

    Anyhow, without further ado...

    Inappropriate or Offensive Topics or Posts:
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=39887#post39887
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5268
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=75400#post75400
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=95329#post95329 (Zanza warns him)

    Inappropriate Conduct towards other members:
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=49223#post49223 (Cloud moderated this one)
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=49455#post49455
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=63161#post63161
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=81969#post81969
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=85101#post85101
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=94954#post94954
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=95278#post95278

    Some of the Spam, Images, and Trolling:
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=49236#post49236
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=50379#post50379
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=51177#post51177
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=51226#post51226
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=51238#post51238
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=51315#post51315
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=52247#post52247
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=54972#post54972
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=54989#post54989
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=60944#post60944
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=61608#post61608
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=64244#post64244
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=64424#post64424
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=64569#post64569 (Mordeth moderated this one)
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=65177#post65177
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=65467#post65467
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=67493#post67493
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=67835#post67835
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=68494#post68494 (Bloodberry warns him)
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=68507#post68507
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=70595#post70595
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5542
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=71515#post71515
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=72467#post72467
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=72470#post72470
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=73466#post73466
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=76418#post76418
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=80222#post80222 (Zanza steps in)
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=81268#post81268
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=82207#post82207
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=82214#post82214
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=82283#post82283
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=83219#post83219
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=83230#post83230
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=89512#post89512
     
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  3. Kami

    Kami New Member

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    i'm sorry for you having to waste time matt. it helps the rest of the people understand. is there anyway we could close this debate thread? i think the points have been crossed and arguments have finished.
     
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  4. Blue Crow

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    I agree.

    *holsters smoking gun*

    Wow,Baka.Your post makes mine look really small.It sucks that you had to waste your time to make a few people understand.
     
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  5. BakaMattSu

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    You're absolutely right. Nephilim_X had this one coming a long time ago. Despite how many of you seem to regard me, I'm very hesistant when it comes to giving out a ban - Look above for a few names that I let past.

    But as the community has grown, I've seen the need to take some action. If I let a Nephilim_X go, users will use that a stepping stone to act as he did. "Why are you reprimending me and not userxxxx?" is the common phrase. Everyone seems to think my actions and decisions are unfair. Fact of the matter is that some probably do end up that way - I'm human after all. That is why I sometimes pull the trigger a little too delayed.

    The other deterrant was the number of Neph supporters out there - I didn't want a rabid pack of NephX lovers clogging my inbox with compalints. I clung to hope that he would take the signs and smarten up. He didn't.

    Take a quick journey through his land of SPAM. There was no main post, but a plethora of useless clogging one liners and images...

    As for the brewing flames in this topic, stop it please. That's one of the reasons I never personally supported a Debate forum - I foresaw every discussion turning into an arguement.

    And it's not complete, either. The problem is, I doubt even that will bring about any understanding. This argument seems to be based on personal attachments VS facts...
     
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  6. Kami

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    oh but i'd like to know one thing... what happened when he apologized? what did you do or say? as for his webspace, thats his personal webspace. it was deactivated when he left school for summer. they arent there.
     
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  7. BakaMattSu

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    You're assuming an apology took place. It was more of an "ignore and continue as he was" reaction.

    Edit: The following was just brought to my attention...

    My comment was not complaining about his webspace, it was complaining about the images. He had a store of about 30 images that he would cycle through and post in response to people. These were rarely accompanied by anything, sometimes by quick comments.

    When the images were up, they forced a repeat visual that any frequent board user had seen 20x before - consider a modem user's headache with those.

    Now that the images are down (which was bound to happen at some point), we're left with a trillion posts that are useless empty squares with a red x. A very beautiful mess, and still as useless as they were with SPAM images.
     
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  8. Roffey

    Roffey I'm As Free As A Bird Now

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    BakaMattSu

    did you go through all 2008 posts, because i only wanted a few examples, like the top 5.
     
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  9. BakaMattSu

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    Well, not quite, I went through all 2008 posts, but only skimming until something caught my eye, grabbing a few example shere and there.

    For the most vivid examples, check the threads where he received an edit or warning (of which he has claimed not to have received), as well as the first two headings. The third heading is just a sample of his spamming habits that tipped the scale.

    As for his apology, it still predates some of the examples I've given.
     
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  10. BakaMattSu

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    This thread is degenerating...

    Get back on topic, or it will surely be locked.
     
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  11. Blue Crow

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  12. Tanuki

    Tanuki the wizzard of oz

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    boy did this thread grow fast. before i start i'll just say no one take offence to this....
    i didn't talk to neph or anything, but i did find him funny on lots of occasions, but as is said, since i've been her, i don't think i've seen a single post by him that wasn't a flame or spam. (flame in particular), maybe these were humourous to him, and those he knew, but to those who didn't, it probably wasn't.
    he's been around a long time and seemed popular, but as matt said, that shouldn't make him invicible.
    neph seems to have a thick skin and would appear to be the sort of person who doesn't take offence easily, but that doesn't mean other people are.
    i kinda think he was looking for a bit of trouble with his posts, and seeing what people would do. maybe he didn't care if he got banned?
    i did think it was a joke of some kind when i saw banned next to his name though.
     
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  13. Ark

    Ark Praise Judas!

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    One thing...

    A debate thread should never be closed.

    Trimmed, yes. Closed, no. That defeats the entire point of having a debate forum.

    - Ark
     
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  14. Bloodberry

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    oh yes, and what a trimming it was. editing out the name calling, and the off-topic conversation. but, it is done, and the thread is a page and a half shorter. this why i wanted to mod it, but i can not allt he time, sever trims will always come.

    matt, thank you. all i wanted was to know why he was banned. i understand now. thank you.
     
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  15. Naru

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    Well I never noticed this thread until today. I was over at Neph's place not to long ago and I told him Matt was thinking about a ban...but yeah like he keeps pointing out to me it was kinda late timing, but I figured like Matt told me he was ready for it, so I assumed he was. He seemed surprised. I do feel guilty about this though considering I kinda put the thought into Matt's mind by bringing it up that day...because a few of my friend's were upset..considering i have a short memory spand I cant say I remember to much of what happened. After seeing Scott's expression I DO feel tremendous guilt from even opening my big mouth..Anyways...I dont know who's side to take considering I care about both of them a lot...I just kinda feel this is very unfortunate...I mean...I saw from something Matt got in the chat last night that Neph said...it was really cold and I gotta say it upset me to see that a friend would say something that cold to someone I love so dearly...Ok getting really cheesy ^^;;;.

    Honestly...I havent been in m2a nearly as long and as often as most here and from my experience from..>.> 1year it sure has changed a lot. I really don't like whats going on at all...WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST RESPECT ONE ANOTHER???? SERIOUSLY WOULD IT REALLY HURT YOU JUST TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER WITHOUT CREATING A WAR? HERE'S THE RESULT YOU DONT LISTEN TO GET BANNED AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO PERSIST YOUR ONLY DIGGING URSELF A BIGGER HOLE! From what I've observed it seems like Matt was going to re-think that ban and remove it or something? Or am I wrong? maybe..lol Anyways I'm starting to spam, but this could have been prevented if he stopped all that. I can't honestly take a side because I mainly am in the chat and I hear mainly Matt's side so yeah....I'm going now >.<
     
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  16. Izzy

    Izzy moo. moo. moo!
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    Well, time for me to put my own two cents in. Honestly, as much as we all liked Nephilim X, the *when* of his ban should have been a thought on everyone's mind. Don't get me wrong, Neph's a great guy, because he's fun to talk to and what not. The thing is, a heavy amount of his posts consist of nothing more than biting humor and a picture (or a red x, as the case may be).

    We all flame and troll and whatnot every once in a while. Neph, however, took the time to do one of the three each time he was logged onto M2A.

    In all cases, I think the ban was a good one (in either form or function). It's a *ban*, not a slap on the wrist. Why get warned? Do they warn you when the axe is coming down at the guillotine? If you cross the line, then you crossed it...and in this case, a ban was put in effect. As I said, Nephilim X is a great guy (on a case to case basis ;)) and generally easy to get along with. But in the boards, I see lots of posts that doesn't really count for much. Then again, there are lots of people (looks at himself suspiciously) that also do the same...but not so much on a level as Neph.

    I know there'll be lots of followers of the Neph cult. Like I said though, I think it's a good ban. If not for the reasons stated, but for the community in general. I've joined the Neph bandwagon often enough to see that he easily rallies the troops around a cause to flame (see: Q-Uzi...but that guy DID deserve it...) or easily gets the upperhand or what have you. I've seen it, and you've seen it.

    Matt's ban, if anything, had just cause because of all the warnings he has already been given. He was lenient on it though, as he is with any ban that's been effected. Heck, Legato was here for a good deal of time before his departure. And so was blood pheonix (yes, I know I spelled it wrong...). Neph had it coming, and it shouldn't come as much as a surprise to a lot of people here.

    That's my rant/rave for the night. Neph, we'll miss you, but I won't at the same time.
     
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  17. Lady Shadow-san

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    Well put.

    I don't wanna get my arse banned here, but I think Neph was banned because he was rude, put too many pictures up, spammed and pissed some people off. There. I said it. I'm going back to sleep.
     
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  18. Fushigi Rockna

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    NEPH GOT BANNED?! :eek: WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!

    okay, I knew this was gonna happen to him sooner or later. If anothe rmemeber did some of the stuff he did they would've been banned, (as other people have said). I KNEW he would've been banned sooner or later, I just hoped it would much, muhc later, when it was safe for me to put him back on my msn, (my dad forced me to block him cause he doesn't like me 'chatting' with people all over the world... because of this I have also been unable to contact a boy I meet on a chat room (behind my father's back) who only lived in lethbridge which is in Alberta, where I also live. ._. It was a fun friendship that wouldn't result in me meeting him, but I've lost contact with him now cause he changes his e-mail quite often and used to add me to his list all the time, btu I am afraid he has not been on at all, meaning he has changed e-mails once more and has not bothered to put me on his msn list.)

    Of course, lucky for me, i only blocked Neph and I cna easily un-block him...

    Still, I will miss him *sniff*

    I remember another person on the board, Zero Enna recently got banned, before she could give me her e-mail *sniff* (er... I was gonna ask the admins to give it to me cause she said she would help me for some stuff in my fanfic >.<) so...

    I'm only realizing now that I gotta watch what I write carefully now... cause I don't wanna be banned.. *burst into tears and scurries into a corner to cry*
     
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  19. Kami

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    it's okay... neph is a big boy and can take care of himself. if he wanted to return he would have. we just have to wait and see what happens. right? yup so come back and wipe your sniffles with this clean hanky i have here.
     
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  20. Sesshomisao

    Sesshomisao Poison Girl

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    HE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN BANNED!!!HE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN BANNED!!!HE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN BANNED!!! *SCREAMS AT MODS* *Then notices that she could be banned for doing that*

    *sniffs* poor poor neph...... *sniff* let him come back!!!! he added humor to every thing!!! *crys for neph to come back*

    *puppy face* Please let Neph come back!!!!



    *reads the other posts* maybe he should have been banned? no.. i wont let my self believe this!!! *sniff* but i must....:(
     
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