Debate The Banning Thread (formerly NephX's Ban)

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  1. Basher

    Basher Mad Writing Skillz

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    Interesting over 50 posts and nothing from Basher

    Well lets me say this that i think Neph being banned is rotten and all that are for it i have lost all respect for YOU.

    Okay BMS u said that neph spammed alot. Whats spam again? lets see here A trademark used for a canned meat product . well that doesn't sound right what else is there lets see Spam is irrelevant or inappropriate messages and some netiquette garbage.

    About Neph and the "so called" spam. hold on ill get to the "so called" part. Okay and i have also heard that one sentence is spam. okay lets look at this for instance lets say in the art forum and poom-poom wanted to know if ppl liked the art. poom-poom posted that it the first post that all comments were welcome. i post that "they all suck" well would that be spam? first consider that i put it up and poom-poom knew what i was talking about but a mod didn't. of course the mod might delete it considering that it was "so called" spam or not nice. of couse me being the person that i am would bring this up to the mod. how can it be spam when it gets a point accross. poom-poom wanted to know what ppl thought of the art. well i gave what i thought about it. Do i really need to go on more and say something like this "They all suck. You need to take art lessons. Where did u learn how to draw? and BTW i hope u know stick ppl are not art." its more then one line and it says what i "want" to say. It might be hurtfull well guess what opinions are welcome. that was my opinion. anyway do i need to say something more before its spam? okay considering spam is irrelevant or inappropriate messages irrelevant couldn't be is was about the art. but getting a oponion stated is not inappropriate. u asked for one and ill give u one. Or would it be better to say this "have a nice day. BTW they all suck." considering its NICE and all. okay thats a little over drawen out reason for "so called" spam.

    BTW poom- poom i love your art keep it up :D my favs are wait i can't pick one i like them all :D

    Okay lets look at what BMS but up as spam of nephs. i did one from each. if u want more ill do more :D
    1. Inappropriate or Offensive Topics or Posts:
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=39887#post39887
    okay theres 2 posts from neph both are about the phallic symbol which deal with air instruments. Okay phallic symbol is third stage of psychosexual development in psychoanalytic theory during which gratification is focused on sensations associated with the genital organs. it basically means in your sexual development in your life taht u need to do something a lil freaky (btw i don't care what u get from it this is my post :p ) We all know about the *raises hands for quotes* Air guitar thing. with lil boys and mr happy. which brings us up to post number 2 Rei wants to know being her of girl organ that what it has to do for her. consider that i established the air guitar thing with u know what. neph basically says when girls are most sexually active other sex ring a bell?
    2. Inappropriate Conduct towards other members:
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=85101#post85101
    Neph puts up 2 posts. okay first onw is glad that Alucard666 isn't gping to die. the 2 is making a comment about another member Delerak made a comment about how alucard didn't die and wanted alucard to die. Neph being the good person that he is said something about it. And also tooma did make a comment calling delerak basically the same thing that neph. hmm thats been deleted i wonder why. trying to make npeh look bad *tsk tsk
    3.Some of the Spam, Images, and Trolling:
    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=72467#post72467
    Neph has 2 here all about if you could. okay number one if u cound easy gun-fo and yet art agrees with him and suggests more. Neph being the great guy that he is makes a comment about other things "if you could" well cannt be spam considering its on topic, more then one sentence or lines, and is appropraite. just cause neph has his own kicks when it deals with munchkins just leave it alone its his own wish.

    As far as the maii thing goes. Look at david no one gets mad because lil kids will see his parts and thats "art". well neph pics are art in a funny way.

    As far as that newbie thing goes. neph was only kidding around. That girl must have a something in a bunch to act the way she did. I am shocked and appalued at all the ppl willing to take her side. she was being mean and all poor neph and dl to hear meaness. I can not believe the way some members act to each other. it sickens me *lasy smile*

    I have clearifed some things which has brought neph to his bann. i hope u will reconsider it. If u ask for more i shall do more :D

    BTW why was blue crow banned? do i need to debate that now? and Zero?

    hmmmm..i wonder would what i just posted be spam more then one line, appropiate, on subject then it can't be :p

    pokes Ark when did u become a mod? (Last week - Ark)

    - Please edit this to make sense hun ;) - Ark
     
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  2. *Fabee*

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    First of all, if a person wrote "They all suck" would be considered as spam, because you did not give reasons of why it "sucked". Instead of bashing someone's fanart, why don’t you give advice of how to improve it? Is it so hard to do that?
    We can’t force people to share the same opinion or views. We could see it here, many agree with Neph's ban and the other half don’t. I personally think that he shouldn’t be permanently banned, because he said that he would change and I believe him. This ban should be like a punishment for Neph, but not like an execution.

    I was wondering the same thing :eek:
     
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  3. k0gepan

    k0gepan New Member

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    Yeah, I haven't really been keeping track of all this stuff. I think it's quite unreasonable, and that's basically all I'm saying. I really would like to know why Blue Crow was banned, I don't think he did anything but be his usual friendly self. :) This is just a basterdization. m2a is going to hell, it ****ing sucks. The end.

    - C'mon k0ge, I know you've got more to add to the debate than that :p - Ark
     
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  4. Mad_Hamish

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    Well I've read this entire thread.
    But first I must say, out off all the mesaage boards I've posted on M2A has the most tightly controlled by far. It's like north Korea (We have t3h nuk3z prep4re to die American scumz0r! - Ark) or something. But I don't seem to piss anyone off so it doesn't bother me.
    Everyone knows that this place is pretty strict. Nephilim new it too. He knew that he pissed off a few people. Sometimes he took it too far and that's what got him banned. I'm not saying I agree with the ban, it's just this seems to be the law of the land.

    Now people are turning him in to Che Guevera.
    Maybe I can make a profit in T-shirt sales.

    Yeah what happened to Blow Crow, the worst I've seen him do was the odd bit of spam, but nothing bad.
     
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  5. Bloodberry

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    maybe crow is doing like mordy, who i HOPE isn't really banned. cause i'll cry then...

    ark became mod sometime last week. he also has otaku tech from me.
    basher, can you go back to your post and edit it so that it makes a bit more sense? my brain hurts from adding pronounciation and words that weren't there but were talked aboutl ike they were...
     
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  6. *Fabee*

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    He is not the only one that could ban for your information. Listen, I wouldnt sit here, having you guys throw the blame on BMS. Its better to get rid of the people that break the rules, instead of keeping them and have them drive others away. There is always a win and a lose.
     
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  7. Ark

    Ark Praise Judas!

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    Please keep in mind, people, that this thread is to debate bans. Not to bash BMS or Cloud. If you don't have a point, please don't spam accusations.

    Also, please learn to spell, capitolize, and punctuate correctly guys. It's hard to debate someone when you can't tell if they typed or just slammed their heads onto the keyboard a bunch.

    And now, back to your regularly scheduled debate.

    - Ark
     
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  8. DrunkLeprachaun

    DrunkLeprachaun Tetsu Oushi

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    I think this thread is rambling. I would say it's beginning to ramble, but it started a couple of pages back. People have piped up supporting Neph, some have tried to give their oppinnions as to why he was banned, but I don't think this constitutes a debate. The "pro-banning" post have been of a decent sort, but the majority of the anti-banners have been spammy, and that's the pruned versions.
    I left for two weeks, come back and the ****'s hit the fan all over the goddamn place. It's mad. I like Neph, I think he's a decent bloke, I was suprised when I saw he was banned, and I would rather he wasn't banned, as I'm always keen on a good laugh. That said however, I can see why he was banned. He had recieved warnings in the past, he had been pushing the line for a long time, and his posts were fairly harsh(although the same might be said for many of my posts). If it were up to me, he wouldn't have been banned, but if it were up to me, there'd be a lot of things different about this place. It ain't up to me. Neph's banned, he probably won't be coming back. That's just the way it is.
     
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  9. Blue Crow

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    WHAT?! Blue Crow was banned!?I love that guy!:( No Fair!

    Hey,guys!Guess what?Did you know that if you change your custom title to "Banned" and put yourself into ghost mode,you can make people think you're banned?I won't be surprised if you all hate me.I was going to put it like that for a day or two to see if anyone noticed.As a harmless joke.Seeing as how I missed April Fool's day.And I guess you did notice.It touches me to see some of the things you guys said about me.*Sniff*I thought you didn't care.:p But I'm not really banned.It was a tasteless joke,so don't beat up Bakamattsu or anything.I wonder what kind of response I would have gotten if I would have left it there for a week.But I couldn't go a week without posting on M2A.:p Well,to all 3 of you that care that I'm not banned,I'm back.You can start not talking to me now.:)
     
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  10. Fushigi Rockna

    Fushigi Rockna B R B

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    You cna usually tell when one's banned... isn't it that you can no longer see their post meter?


    *gives Blue Crow the evil eye* *takes a bottle and breaks it* <----weapon >:]

    Okay, that was senselessly cruel. You mean, mean person! :p Argh, :p

    *heads off to voodoo.com to make a Blue Crow Voodoo doll*

    Well, anyways...

    Basher, let me first say, that I don't get why they call Spam, well, Spam. It's a disgusting meat product. >:[ Blah.

    Second, girl you seriosuly need to cool down.

    I agree whole heartedly with DL *nods* He is exactly right, but for me to write out everything he wrote out again would be wrong. :p

    Instead I'll sya this. :D

    This whole thign is like a double edged sword, if he wasn't banned he'd migth continue to scare off otthe newbies, blah blah, but him ebing banned is making us sad and is gonna result in newbies getting out of line.

    Double edged sword, double edged sword....

    And let me say this one thing...

    holy cow Ark, are you having fun editing all these posts? :p Haha... (There is no editting, only Zuul. :p - Ark)
     
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  11. Blue Crow

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    That's what I was afraid would happen.Sorry.Hope you don't stab me with that bottle.:p Anyways,congrats to Ark on his modship.Cool,man!You're one person that is dangerous with authority.:p (You mean, wonderful with authority, right? - Ark)

    *heads off to voodoo.com to make a Fushigi Rockna Voodoo doll*:p Just kidding.I love ya FR.

    (Please have more of a point in your next post ;) -Ark)
     
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  12. BakaMattSu

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    Well, I'm sorry you had to take things personally, despite being indirectly involved. I'm guessing you aren't alone in taking it out in my direction, however.

    http://www.mangatoanime.com/vbporta...=2&categories=MangatoAnime+Common+Questions#6

    "netiquette garbage", is it? I'm sorry, you lose a few respect points from me there. Leave spam unchecked, and M2A will be nothing but a big landfill. Picture a place where every little 8 year old can fill forums with nonsensical replies, a place where advertisers PM you daily with an offer for "improving your sex life", basically picture the garbage ads and forwards you likely receive whether you want them or not on a daily basis to your e-mail account. Would you think it a happy place you'd really want to be a part of? Wading through oodles of useless postings to actually get to discussions?

    Can't wait. Oh well, let's see where this is going.

    In all technicality, yes. What thought has actually gone into the post? Using your example, poom-poom is asking for opinions and feedback. "they all suck" really says nothing. Why do they suck? Is it because they are stick figures? Was it misproportioned? Perhaps you just thought the style was too gaudy?

    What point gets across? That you think they suck? Congratulations. That post is about as useful as answering "Art is good". The key to being non-spam is to have a positive contribution to the subject at hand. Any Joe User could jump on any such question and throw down a three-liner without thought. If I were poom-poom reading your reply, I'd likely ignore it, or else wonder just why you thought the way you did.

    And now you're stretching the truth, or else speculating with the "not nice". You are by no means restricted from answering negatively. Just make sure it's an actual contribution to the subject and not a meaningless statement, and all is good.

    The "not nice" line is drawn when you decide to make it a personal attack. When you decide to post "poom-poom, they all suck, and so do you. You're the crappiest artist I ever saw, and my dog makes better doodles in his doodie." you might get the delete/edit treatment.

    No, but you really need to include SOMETHING useful to the conversation. A "I think they're all poor drawings. Where did you learn your sketching technique, because the characters seem a little too thin? They all need serious work." would be just fine. (And more readable than a sentence full of netspeak "u suxor, btw, I hope u know ppl don't like that tbh")

    If that's what it is, and you've clearly stated it, then perfectly acceptable. I think a little more time spent on clarity and toning it down would be nice, but no, not required to be a contributable post.

    Yes.

    ...in deliberate or accidental violation of netiquette. You cut off the end, there.

    Irrelevent in the fact that it was nearly useless. I start a new topic called "What's your favorite letter?" and post nothing but "I like the letter G." It's certainly relevent to the topic. It gets my point across. Is it inappropriate? Don't think so. Does it serve any real purpose? Not really. An obsessive member who's keeping track of everybody's likes and dislikes might religiously jot it down, but to the average person is it really a useful contribution? The answer is no.

    And before anyone cracks down and starts firing off examples of spam in half of M2A, I will say that we are not all made up of spam crackdown agents. The team will usually let it slide. The exception is when a user takes it upon themself to do it regularly. Everyone has a one-liner comment to make now and then. Perhaps I have nothing to say besides saying "I don't like these pictures". Maybe a mod will leave it, maybe a more active mod will wipe it, and maybe a more stringent mod will PM me accusing of spamming and telling me to edit it to be more meaningful. There are varying degrees of tolerance, but there is no dispute that it is spam.

    No. That would be comparable to the original one liner of "they all suck". Adding "have a nice day" didn't make it all that more of a contribution to the discussion.

    I missed the reason somewhere along the line...maybe you could repeat it?

    [Message continues next post. I'm over the text limit...]
     
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  13. BakaMattSu

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    And your argument that this wasn't inappropriate subject matter was....what? All I read from above was that you are quite willing to go into depth on a subject that has no place on Mangatoanime. This is mature subject matter that we do not wish to be exposed to minors who may quite easily be browsing. It also gives the wrong impression of our community to any who might read it. Every member is a representation of the whole to outside viewers and internal members. Our Charter clearly states no sexual discussions or content - the boards are just not catering in that direction.

    You gathered all that from "Go see a doctor"? I missed something, there... Still, the first post is not the one under examination here...

    No the second is a Monty Python quote. A spam post in response to Angel From Hell's spam post. But we're examing inappropriate conduct towards other members here, not spam, so let's move on.

    The third one is the one under examination in the case. Not "Err... yeah...", but the lighter colored "****in' looney". We do not take ANY personal attacks lightly, even if they are "so-called" jokes (if they are to be taken in a humorous jest and not a slam, make that clearly noted WHEN YOU POST). No one deserves to be ridiculed or personally slammed, despite what some argue. If someone's acting up, report them, but don't get yourself in trouble in the mix by lowering yourself to their level. This isn't a schoolyard, and we're not going to pull everyone involved aside to sort out "who started it". We've got better things to do.

    I would imagine Toma went back and realized she had made that mistake. I can't recall exactly what it read, but being a Mod does not make her immune, and if she displays repeated offense, she is certainly able to be relieved of duty.

    I would think this is more her feeling of remorse over what she said, rather than her trying to pin the blame on Neph.

    "Gun fu. :p" - Spam. We've already visited the definition and construction somewhere at the top of this post. Tell me how someone actually responding to (in an actual contributary way, might I add) it makes it suddenly spam-free?

    Perfectly fine post there. Have no problem with it.

    Post # 3 (which you left out mysteriously) is again Spam. "Mmm, burger..."

    "maii thing?"...uh, lost here...

    Gonna take a wild swing and guess you're referring to his Summer Contest Miia Entries. I never mentioned this as contirbutory to his ban. I have no problem with his submissions. I remember saying I found them distasteful, but that's my opinion - perhaps I missed the humor in them. It's an unrelated opinion, and I'm unsure why you've tied it into this debate.


    I agree. It is sickening, isn't it? Just look at how many slams I'm getting for doing what needs to be done, despite the fact the ban was justified - perhaps hrash according to some, but I did it with reason.

    ...To some perhaps. To others, your whole post may have confused them...

    For some time I was. Not sure any more. A number of factors (unrelated to this debate, so don't start) have started me to reconsider a reconsidering.

    "Do more" if you like. I don't mind either way. Just keep in mind, I may choose to leave this debate topic at any time, so your posts should be more generalized and not directed to me.

    He was not. He got around custom title filters. It is a misunderstanding that needs to be cleared up.

    Was at least a week or two before Nephilim_X, IIRC. One of the Moderators are responsible, so I don't know the charge.
     
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  14. BakaMattSu

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    It may be tightly controlled, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

    There are a few rants out there on how this Anime board is so much different than any other board community - control has a part in it. Users are free to browse without fear of being hammered left and right because they share different views than others. We restrict Avatars and Signatures to give a consistent, clean look and experience (got to other boards where they have none, and you get images the height of half a browser window, ugly animated gifs, and distracting sigs the size of Hong Kong accompanying every one-liner post).

    We aren't fanatical about it - the tightest control would be checking that vBulletin box "requires approval of moderator before post". Every single thing would be reviewed, all M2A sleights and negative references removed or edited. We still allow opinons and we're still tolerant to certain levels.

    Having fun is fully endorsed as long as it isn't at the expense and impedence of others. Everyone should be welcome and treated respectfully.
     
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  15. Naru

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    Well honestly...In my opinion I think that mangatoanime should be killed if this c*** persists. I hate seeing all that harassment going on, it cleary is. All Mods and Admins do what they do from heart, they follow rules and I don't care how creul it seems, its their JOB! If you cant understand that then I'm sorry..Also you cannot undo whats been done so why pout and cry over it? Thats my motto now, considering I worry over absolutly everything. Another thing I will NOT sit here and watch you all diss my brother like that. Oh and btw I was talking to Neph and he ask that I send this message to all of you.

    NephilimOMEGA: Tell them I said to just let it be, and if Matt is gonna unban me he'll do it all in his own due time. Neph Commands Thee!

    So there. I gotta say I'm not pleased with m2a. I would not be sadened if I suddenly disappeared and never came back, no offence. Also I wanna say this before I end this post. "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all!" If I were BMS I'd kill this thread; if that harassment continues. He doesnt need that, he's stressed out enough as it is. Just leave him alone ok? Don't you realize your pushing him so much that he will NEVER unban NephX?
     
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  16. Blue Crow

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    And If he did unban Neph,it would be chaos.A ban is supposed to be the penalty for excessive bad behavior,right?So if people see that with enough nagging,someone can be unbanned,then they would do whatever they please.

    (Much better, thanks ;) -Ark)
     
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  17. Naru

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    Still, BC, it bothers me. NephX was one guy...there are other ways of contacting him if thats their major concern. There is AIM, MSN, the m2a chat where he is most of the time...*sigh* Flaming ppl over some rules he didnt follow is really mean.
     
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  18. Ark

    Ark Praise Judas!

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    I'm getting very annoyed with a lot of the Anti-Admin, and specifically, Anti-BMS posts that I'm having to prune out of this thread. Matt did what he did because he thought it was for the good of the boards, and you people lampoon him at every turn. As I said before, I would prefer Neph wasn't banned, but I'm not mad at Matt for doing it. I understand why he did it, now that he's explained his action. So lay off with the insults people. I CAN ban people from the Debates forum if I have to, and all you have to do to avoid banning is be civil. It's not that much to ask, people. I'm not closing the thread, but seriously, have at least a little respect for the man. He's got the most weighted job you can have on a board like this.

    - Ark
     
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  19. nightwarrior

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    Why is this thread here? Is it to bring back Nephilim_X, or to cry about his ban? It's not like they are going to bring him back to MangaToAnime. Am I right?

    <Your grammar certainly isn't. Editted to make some sense.- Ark>
     
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  20. Sebastien

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    Wrong. People have been unbanned in the past, Take Blood_Phoenix for example. He did things even worse than Neph, Nobody liked him, yet he was unbanned. [But after being given a second chance he acted like an *** again and got re-banned] I still don't know why, to be honest. If you did read this thread, Which I think not for many reasons, you would see nobody's been "crying". I suggest you put a little more thoughts into your posts instead of just posting stupid stuff over and over again. (I'm talking from personal experience, I had to read and delete your spam for a while now).

    - Hexerei
     
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